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I’m not vaccinated, this is how I feel. I am not militant or political about it. My wife and whole family are vaccinated and I helped them to do it. As a young

I’m not vaccinated, this is how I feel. I am not militant or political about it. My wife and whole family are vaccinated and I helped them to do it. As a young man, the risk of heart issues does indeed outweigh the risk of hospitalisation from the virus (as I’ve weighed it, anyhow). Victoria, Australia has hit 90% double vaccinated and case numbers have not changed here. To see this underwhelming effect in light of the anxiety the mandatory vaccination has caused, it is sad. I am lucky enough to be studying remotely, and so I just stay at home, I don’t go out other than to exercise in a park. I am not able to go anywhere with my wife right now (shopping, restaurants etc.), which is difficult, but it was my choice. If I am further forced to undergo vaccination I’m really not sure what I would do. I would want to leave Australia and live somewhere that I can have my own decisions. I don’t care if you think I’m selfish. Where did freedom of choice go? I’d like to move where it’s gone.

ceesharp 5y ago
"Das Recht, mit der Faust um sich zu schlagen, hört auf, wo die Nase des Mitmenschen anfängt."
- joeman1000 5y ago
  And what about my nose?
- Aldipower 5y ago
  This counts for everybody. Being forced to be vaxxed with mRNA is probably also very "fisty" for some people.
librish 5y ago
What makes you think the risk of heart issues is higher from the vaccine than the risk of heart issues from a non-hospitalized incidence of covid?
thomasfromcdnjs 5y ago
I'm a Victorian too, this is exactly me. Everyone still laying judgement on my choice but 1) I can't go anywhere anyway 2) where is the promised herd immunity? I'm lucky to have a big house and garden, just gonna keep waiting for this to end.
- uwagar 5y ago
  guess if u drive/ride your own transport you are set as they are gonna let only vaccinated on public transport (italy? germany? already doing it i think)
- aakresearch 5y ago
  Looks like there are more of us than I thought :) My problem is that mandate is weighing so much on the "bad" side, that the "good" side is completely dwarfed. In other words, I'm unable to reason about the vax, as I never was able to make good decision in similar situation. That mandates are introduced on top of previous completely useless and hostile measures like curfews, outdoor playgrounds closures, etc. and generally divisive rhetoric doesn't help to build any trust either.
  - joeman1000 5y ago
    Exactly. There has just been constant appeals to ‘science’ but how can I trust this science if I can’t inspect it? Even in a simple system, a small change can create chaotic consequences. I absolutely have a right to know what I am being forced to take into my body: an incredibly complex system. And I don’t care if someone calls me “selfish”, all human behaviour is selfish. There is no such thing as a completely altruistic decision. People pushing for mandates just want “things back to normal” (not realistic), which is fine, but it’s their personal prerogative that I don’t have to care for. Every decision a human makes is self-centred.
lysp 5y ago
A friend works in a major hospital in Melbourne. All their cardiac, cancer patients and others are vaccinated. The "heart issues" are a mild inflammation. You take some NSAIDs, rest for a few days, and you're completely fine. My friend compared it to inflammation of your finger if you get a cut. It's a non-issue.

ceesharp 5y ago

"Das Recht, mit der Faust um sich zu schlagen, hört auf, wo die Nase des Mitmenschen anfängt."

joeman1000 5y ago
And what about my nose?
Aldipower 5y ago
This counts for everybody. Being forced to be vaxxed with mRNA is probably also very "fisty" for some people.

librish 5y ago

What makes you think the risk of heart issues is higher from the vaccine than the risk of heart issues from a non-hospitalized incidence of covid?

thomasfromcdnjs 5y ago

I'm a Victorian too, this is exactly me. Everyone still laying judgement on my choice but 1) I can't go anywhere anyway 2) where is the promised herd immunity? I'm lucky to have a big house and garden, just gonna keep waiting for this to end.

uwagar 5y ago
guess if u drive/ride your own transport you are set as they are gonna let only vaccinated on public transport (italy? germany? already doing it i think)
aakresearch 5y ago
Looks like there are more of us than I thought :) My problem is that mandate is weighing so much on the "bad" side, that the "good" side is completely dwarfed. In other words, I'm unable to reason about the vax, as I never was able to make good decision in similar situation. That mandates are introduced on top of previous completely useless and hostile measures like curfews, outdoor playgrounds closures, etc. and generally divisive rhetoric doesn't help to build any trust either.
- joeman1000 5y ago
  Exactly. There has just been constant appeals to ‘science’ but how can I trust this science if I can’t inspect it? Even in a simple system, a small change can create chaotic consequences. I absolutely have a right to know what I am being forced to take into my body: an incredibly complex system. And I don’t care if someone calls me “selfish”, all human behaviour is selfish. There is no such thing as a completely altruistic decision. People pushing for mandates just want “things back to normal” (not realistic), which is fine, but it’s their personal prerogative that I don’t have to care for. Every decision a human makes is self-centred.

lysp 5y ago

A friend works in a major hospital in Melbourne. All their cardiac, cancer patients and others are vaccinated. The "heart issues" are a mild inflammation. You take some NSAIDs, rest for a few days, and you're completely fine. My friend compared it to inflammation of your finger if you get a cut. It's a non-issue.