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>What we're seeing here is one of the wealthiest countries in the world with a population of > 80M people crumbling over a few thousand ICU patients because of

>What we're seeing here is one of the wealthiest countries in the world with a population of > 80M people crumbling over a few thousand ICU patients because of long-standing issues that were never addressed. So I'm kind of surprised to see this. I was under the impression Germany was the opposite. https://tradingeconomics.com/country-list/hospital-beds https://tradingeconomics.com/country-list/hospital-beds Germany is #2 out of those reporting. Crushing Canada by like 300%. https://tradingeconomics.com/country-list/medical-doctors https://tradingeconomics.com/country-list/medical-doctors Germany #1 for doctors, beating Canada by 100% https://tradingeconomics.com/country-list/nurses https://tradingeconomics.com/country-list/nurses Germany #2 for nurses, beating Canada by ~75% I kind of step back, how terrible is Canada doing? >The staffing problems in hospitals (and nursing homes) have existed much longer than Covid. I heard a lot about them myself when I did my FSJ (volunteer work) back in 2004, and it's only gotten worse since then. Oh ya big time. I can't remember a time when nurses/psws/doctors weren't in huge demand here in Canada. Before covid: https://www.blogto.com/city/2019/07/toronto-hospital-fraud/ https://www.blogto.com/city/2019/07/toronto-hospital-fraud/ During covid pre-vax: https://toronto.ctvnews.ca/ontario-hospital-lays-off-97-registered-nurses-amid-pandemic-citing-financial-challenge-1.5117270 https://toronto.ctvnews.ca/ontario-hospital-lays-off-97-regi... Antivaxxers fired: https://www.thestar.com/news/gta/2021/11/28/were-on-the-brink-of-collapse-what-eight-ontario-nurses-have-to-say-on-the-state-of-a-profession-in-crisis.html https://www.thestar.com/news/gta/2021/11/28/were-on-the-brin... You can't be on one side in huge demand for nurses but also be firing them willy nilly. Firing them for not getting the vaccine isn't true at all. They've been reducing nurses and such for long before. >Our government is in full CYA mode, and doing everything they can to blame a scapegoat for problems they themselves have willingly created over decades. It's despicable, and nobody should support it. I propose that Canada and Germany probably have the same problem. That we are on the same page. I am curious what you think is that problem?

dmix 5y ago
> Furthermore Bill 124, introduced in 2019, disincentivizes nurses by limiting wage increases. Many nurses have said repealing the bill would go a long way in retaining nurses. Others say removing barriers for internationally educated nurses would help fill in gaps. Wow, why is there the wage cap when nursing has long been an issue in Ontario? I wonder who thinks this stuff up and thinks they are somehow saving money by doing this. It just generates inefficiencies and unintended side effects. Whenever there's problems like this there's always seems to be a long trail of government interference that's counterproductive.
- sleepysysadmin 5y ago
  >Wow, why is there the wage cap when nursing has long been an issue in Ontario? I wonder who thinks this stuff up and thinks they are somehow saving money by doing this. It just generates inefficiencies and unintended side effects. Bill 124 has nothing at all to do with Nurses. The word 'nurse' does not show up even once. This bill is effectively what put doug ford into power. That is to say, he was elected to pass this one. It is more than required. As you likely know Ontario is the highest debt subnational in the world. The mcguinty government was in power for ~10 years but did so by buying votes. They had so many gigantic scandals and might be one of the worst governments ontario ever had. Hilariously, the PCs approach was to tell ontario he was going to fire 100,000 people. That obviously didn't go well giving Wynne a majority. However, Hudak was right, 100,000 less people in government. Because we didn't... we are in a far worse situation. Pre-covid ontario was very bankrupt. It was so bankrupt Wynne was forced to sell off highly profitable assets like Hydro1. Now that covid happened? I dont even know what will happen. >Whenever there's problems like this there's always seems to be a long trail of government interference that's counterproductive. The consequences of decisions in either way is difficult and rarely properly assessed. As Greece knows, someone eventually ends up holding the garbage bag and has to clean up. These are the consequences of decisions made.
  - dmix 5y ago
    I'm all for reduction in the size of bureaucracies and addressing financial issues realistically. I just strongly dislike when they create inflexibility with things like wage increase caps. It's a strong hammer aimed at a few well deserved targets but hits broadly across a wide group where it doesn't always make sense. It's like a one size fits all approach. But I don't know enough about provincial politics to debate the policies. You seem to have a better grasp of that.
    - sleepysysadmin 5y ago
      >I'm all for reduction in the size of bureaucracies and addressing financial issues realistically. I feel people misunderstand these issues so often, everyone just wants bigger government always. What happened during Mcguinty was well forecasted. He upon coming into power increased taxes on manufacturing. The consequence was that manufacturing dropped significantly. Ontario shed somewhere around 800,000 jobs because of that move and mcguinty trying to hide his shame increased the size of government to artificially hide abysmal unemployment. Population of Ontario was roughly 12 million at that time i believe. Labour participation was roughly 60%. Dropping 800,000 is more than 10% increase to unemployment. 10% unemployment is pitchforks at the capital. The consequence? You converted tax paying people to tax deficit. It broke the balance by alot and it was all to hide the bad idea of raising taxes and harming ontarians. Flipside, while this is an obvious failure, it shouldn't detract from a big government. Healthcare was obvious context above. What exactly is OHIP? It's a crappy basic health insurance provided by the government that has much less coverage today compared to years ago. It's not that we shouldn't do that, we simply don't cover everything. We know it's a good thing to cover the basics. It's just a definition of 'what are the basics'. Should diabetes meds be included? Type 1 vs Type 2? On top of that, it being single payer means most of society receives their healthcare from the rich. >It's a strong hammer aimed at a few well deserved targets but hits broadly across a wide group where it doesn't always make sense. It's like a one size fits all approach. It does make sense. What comes in bankruptcy? If we don't control those costs we are forced into austerity measures. Greece's Syriza is a communist party and they chose austerity out of their options. If we go into that, it will mean way more than 100,000 jobs fired abruptly. Which wasn't Hudak's plan. He was going to allow anyone who wants to keep working to keep working. Retirements, job hopping, etc being the plan. The reason why you dont hear much of a chirp from the ultra strong unions is that they know the alternative is far worse. >But I don't know enough about provincial politics to debate the policies. You seem to have a better grasp of that. When Wynne got a majority. She took this power as her winning and not hudak losing. I called exactly what was about to happen. Wynne who was at the feet of all the scandals was going to be even worse because she would be under much more scrutiny. Not much of a prediction obviously, no future sight needed. She actually was not bad besides the obvious corruption, she very nearly balanced the budget. Yet she made history books. She's the lowest approval rating for ontario premiers ever, and she provided the worst election result for the ontario liberals. When doug ford got into power, I predicted exactly the same. doug ford didnt win, wynne lost. He's going to make decisions to fix the disaster of the liberals and take the blame. Flipside, he seems to be highly approved of because of covid and his response being objectively good. So I might be wrong on that front but he didnt fix the liberal corruption.

dmix 5y ago

> Furthermore Bill 124, introduced in 2019, disincentivizes nurses by limiting wage increases. Many nurses have said repealing the bill would go a long way in retaining nurses. Others say removing barriers for internationally educated nurses would help fill in gaps. Wow, why is there the wage cap when nursing has long been an issue in Ontario? I wonder who thinks this stuff up and thinks they are somehow saving money by doing this. It just generates inefficiencies and unintended side effects. Whenever there's problems like this there's always seems to be a long trail of government interference that's counterproductive.

sleepysysadmin 5y ago
>Wow, why is there the wage cap when nursing has long been an issue in Ontario? I wonder who thinks this stuff up and thinks they are somehow saving money by doing this. It just generates inefficiencies and unintended side effects. Bill 124 has nothing at all to do with Nurses. The word 'nurse' does not show up even once. This bill is effectively what put doug ford into power. That is to say, he was elected to pass this one. It is more than required. As you likely know Ontario is the highest debt subnational in the world. The mcguinty government was in power for ~10 years but did so by buying votes. They had so many gigantic scandals and might be one of the worst governments ontario ever had. Hilariously, the PCs approach was to tell ontario he was going to fire 100,000 people. That obviously didn't go well giving Wynne a majority. However, Hudak was right, 100,000 less people in government. Because we didn't... we are in a far worse situation. Pre-covid ontario was very bankrupt. It was so bankrupt Wynne was forced to sell off highly profitable assets like Hydro1. Now that covid happened? I dont even know what will happen. >Whenever there's problems like this there's always seems to be a long trail of government interference that's counterproductive. The consequences of decisions in either way is difficult and rarely properly assessed. As Greece knows, someone eventually ends up holding the garbage bag and has to clean up. These are the consequences of decisions made.
- dmix 5y ago
  I'm all for reduction in the size of bureaucracies and addressing financial issues realistically. I just strongly dislike when they create inflexibility with things like wage increase caps. It's a strong hammer aimed at a few well deserved targets but hits broadly across a wide group where it doesn't always make sense. It's like a one size fits all approach. But I don't know enough about provincial politics to debate the policies. You seem to have a better grasp of that.
  - sleepysysadmin 5y ago
    >I'm all for reduction in the size of bureaucracies and addressing financial issues realistically. I feel people misunderstand these issues so often, everyone just wants bigger government always. What happened during Mcguinty was well forecasted. He upon coming into power increased taxes on manufacturing. The consequence was that manufacturing dropped significantly. Ontario shed somewhere around 800,000 jobs because of that move and mcguinty trying to hide his shame increased the size of government to artificially hide abysmal unemployment. Population of Ontario was roughly 12 million at that time i believe. Labour participation was roughly 60%. Dropping 800,000 is more than 10% increase to unemployment. 10% unemployment is pitchforks at the capital. The consequence? You converted tax paying people to tax deficit. It broke the balance by alot and it was all to hide the bad idea of raising taxes and harming ontarians. Flipside, while this is an obvious failure, it shouldn't detract from a big government. Healthcare was obvious context above. What exactly is OHIP? It's a crappy basic health insurance provided by the government that has much less coverage today compared to years ago. It's not that we shouldn't do that, we simply don't cover everything. We know it's a good thing to cover the basics. It's just a definition of 'what are the basics'. Should diabetes meds be included? Type 1 vs Type 2? On top of that, it being single payer means most of society receives their healthcare from the rich. >It's a strong hammer aimed at a few well deserved targets but hits broadly across a wide group where it doesn't always make sense. It's like a one size fits all approach. It does make sense. What comes in bankruptcy? If we don't control those costs we are forced into austerity measures. Greece's Syriza is a communist party and they chose austerity out of their options. If we go into that, it will mean way more than 100,000 jobs fired abruptly. Which wasn't Hudak's plan. He was going to allow anyone who wants to keep working to keep working. Retirements, job hopping, etc being the plan. The reason why you dont hear much of a chirp from the ultra strong unions is that they know the alternative is far worse. >But I don't know enough about provincial politics to debate the policies. You seem to have a better grasp of that. When Wynne got a majority. She took this power as her winning and not hudak losing. I called exactly what was about to happen. Wynne who was at the feet of all the scandals was going to be even worse because she would be under much more scrutiny. Not much of a prediction obviously, no future sight needed. She actually was not bad besides the obvious corruption, she very nearly balanced the budget. Yet she made history books. She's the lowest approval rating for ontario premiers ever, and she provided the worst election result for the ontario liberals. When doug ford got into power, I predicted exactly the same. doug ford didnt win, wynne lost. He's going to make decisions to fix the disaster of the liberals and take the blame. Flipside, he seems to be highly approved of because of covid and his response being objectively good. So I might be wrong on that front but he didnt fix the liberal corruption.