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Very thought-provoking this mistreatment of the unvaccinated. The process started with demonizing them to the point of being singled out and blamed for how the
by blub 5y ago
Very thought-provoking this mistreatment of the unvaccinated.
The process started with demonizing them to the point of being singled out and blamed for how the disease is impacting society. When the discrimination started, there were very few willing to speak for them.
Particularly malicious was the expansion of the term anti-vaxxer typically used for a fringe minority which “rejects all vaccines for everyone” to all of those that “reject one single vaccine for themselves”.
Now a measure that will come too late and impact the entirety of society is sold as a means of finally forcing them to conform.
From the outside, this may look like a perfectly executed propaganda campaign. One can’t exclude that the government (like the Canadian gov which actually got caught I believe) took advantage of the chaos and flexed its propaganda muscles a bit. But the more scary possibility is that a frightened and manipulated population + incompetent government in CYA mode is enough to try to override the constitutional principle of bodily integrity.
And it’s precisely this principle which seems to be the last thing preventing the state from forcing or punishing the unvaccinated too hard, limiting them to a fine.
- joeman1000 5y agoI’m not vaccinated, this is how I feel. I am not militant or political about it. My wife and whole family are vaccinated and I helped them to do it. As a young man, the risk of heart issues does indeed outweigh the risk of hospitalisation from the virus (as I’ve weighed it, anyhow). Victoria, Australia has hit 90% double vaccinated and case numbers have not changed here. To see this underwhelming effect in light of the anxiety the mandatory vaccination has caused, it is sad. I am lucky enough to be studying remotely, and so I just stay at home, I don’t go out other than to exercise in a park. I am not able to go anywhere with my wife right now (shopping, restaurants etc.), which is difficult, but it was my choice. If I am further forced to undergo vaccination I’m really not sure what I would do. I would want to leave Australia and live somewhere that I can have my own decisions. I don’t care if you think I’m selfish. Where did freedom of choice go? I’d like to move where it’s gone.
- ceesharp 5y ago"Das Recht, mit der Faust um sich zu schlagen, hört auf, wo die Nase des Mitmenschen anfängt."
- joeman1000 5y agoAnd what about my nose?
- Aldipower 5y agoThis counts for everybody. Being forced to be vaxxed with mRNA is probably also very "fisty" for some people.
- librish 5y agoWhat makes you think the risk of heart issues is higher from the vaccine than the risk of heart issues from a non-hospitalized incidence of covid?
- thomasfromcdnjs 5y agoI'm a Victorian too, this is exactly me. Everyone still laying judgement on my choice but 1) I can't go anywhere anyway 2) where is the promised herd immunity? I'm lucky to have a big house and garden, just gonna keep waiting for this to end.
- uwagar 5y agoguess if u drive/ride your own transport you are set as they are gonna let only vaccinated on public transport (italy? germany? already doing it i think)
- aakresearch 5y agoLooks like there are more of us than I thought :) My problem is that mandate is weighing so much on the "bad" side, that the "good" side is completely dwarfed. In other words, I'm unable to reason about the vax, as I never was able to make good decision in similar situation. That mandates are introduced on top of previous completely useless and hostile measures like curfews, outdoor playgrounds closures, etc. and generally divisive rhetoric doesn't help to build any trust either.
- joeman1000 5y agoExactly. There has just been constant appeals to ‘science’ but how can I trust this science if I can’t inspect it? Even in a simple system, a small change can create chaotic consequences. I absolutely have a right to know what I am being forced to take into my body: an incredibly complex system. And I don’t care if someone calls me “selfish”, all human behaviour is selfish. There is no such thing as a completely altruistic decision. People pushing for mandates just want “things back to normal” (not realistic), which is fine, but it’s their personal prerogative that I don’t have to care for. Every decision a human makes is self-centred.
- lysp 5y agoA friend works in a major hospital in Melbourne. All their cardiac, cancer patients and others are vaccinated. The "heart issues" are a mild inflammation. You take some NSAIDs, rest for a few days, and you're completely fine. My friend compared it to inflammation of your finger if you get a cut. It's a non-issue.
- givemeethekeys 5y agoTrain left the station as soon as orders were placed for massive amounts of vaccine well before it was ever developed.
- brummm 5y agoI think this is a ridiculous opinion to have. I actually think unvaccinated people were treated way to well in Germany. They are a very loud minority in society and have managed to really hamper the progress against covid. Compare this to Canada where the government implemented much bigger restrictions on unvaccinated people (no restaurants, no train travel, no air travel) and the overall vaccination rate is ~10% higher. And the current rise in cases is nowhere near Germany.
- blub 5y agoThey are not treated well, they are treated according to the constitution.
- Broken_Hippo 5y agoBeing willfully unvaccinated signals that you simply don't care about the people you come in contact with. I'm not sure how, exactly, I'm supposed to treat someone well if they won't care if I live or die from something they can prevent. Yes, I understand the vaccine isn't perfect, but none of them are. Yet here I am, not catching polio and other things because of them. (Polio was less lethal, btw, and some folks were fine - yet others lived out their lives in an iron lung).