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It's staffing. See my other comment. Germany lost > 4000 ICU beds during the past year.

arrrg 5y ago
Could you source that claim? I’m comparing the numbers from the DIVI registry: 2020-12-02: https://edoc.rki.de/handle/176904/7522 https://edoc.rki.de/handle/176904/7522 2021-12-02: https://edoc.rki.de/handle/176904/9047 https://edoc.rki.de/handle/176904/9047 I’m getting 24,949 beds for today, 27,543 as the year ago number (in both cases including a couple thousand ICU beds for kids which were later split out in the more current DIVI reports since ICU beds for kids aren’t helpful for this pandemic). That’s a difference of 2,594. Also, as the DIVI themselves explain: “Consequently, several factors play a role in influencing the number of beds that can be operated. A deliberate reduction of beds during the pandemic cannot be assumed. The reduction in available beds can be explained by the various points mentioned above, among others, and is supported by other data collected. The decisive factor for the operability of a bed is the medical staff.” This is under a FAQ entry where they list five different reasons for the reduction in capacity: https://www.intensivregister.de/#/faq/18af7107-e098-43e7-a9f6-723b167559ba https://www.intensivregister.de/#/faq/18af7107-e098-43e7-a9f... Staff themselves being affected by COVID-19 and becoming unable to work is just one of them. The others are changes in how much staff is allocated per patient (this was increased), hospitals being more precise in their reporting and only reporting beds that can actually be staffed, changes in the criteria for a bed to be actually countable and the high effort ICU therapy of COVID-19 patients requires.
- fileeditview 5y ago
  So I had this number from the (reputable) news but I googled it and found e.g. the Ärzteblatt as a source: https://www.aerzteblatt.de/nachrichten/128476/Intensivmediziner-4-000-Intensivbetten-weniger-seit-Jahresbeginn https://www.aerzteblatt.de/nachrichten/128476/Intensivmedizi... (German) TBH I would not be surprised if the actually don't know the exact numbers. But even if it's "only" 2594 it's still too many. You could call it deliberate however if the working conditions for people under such heavy load are not improved.

Could you source that claim? I’m comparing the numbers from the DIVI registry: 2020-12-02: https://edoc.rki.de/handle/176904/7522 https://edoc.rki.de/handle/176904/7522 2021-12-02: https://edoc.rki.de/handle/176904/9047 https://edoc.rki.de/handle/176904/9047 I’m getting 24,949 beds for today, 27,543 as the year ago number (in both cases including a couple thousand ICU beds for kids which were later split out in the more current DIVI reports since ICU beds for kids aren’t helpful for this pandemic). That’s a difference of 2,594. Also, as the DIVI themselves explain: “Consequently, several factors play a role in influencing the number of beds that can be operated. A deliberate reduction of beds during the pandemic cannot be assumed. The reduction in available beds can be explained by the various points mentioned above, among others, and is supported by other data collected. The decisive factor for the operability of a bed is the medical staff.” This is under a FAQ entry where they list five different reasons for the reduction in capacity: https://www.intensivregister.de/#/faq/18af7107-e098-43e7-a9f6-723b167559ba https://www.intensivregister.de/#/faq/18af7107-e098-43e7-a9f... Staff themselves being affected by COVID-19 and becoming unable to work is just one of them. The others are changes in how much staff is allocated per patient (this was increased), hospitals being more precise in their reporting and only reporting beds that can actually be staffed, changes in the criteria for a bed to be actually countable and the high effort ICU therapy of COVID-19 patients requires.

fileeditview 5y ago
So I had this number from the (reputable) news but I googled it and found e.g. the Ärzteblatt as a source: https://www.aerzteblatt.de/nachrichten/128476/Intensivmediziner-4-000-Intensivbetten-weniger-seit-Jahresbeginn https://www.aerzteblatt.de/nachrichten/128476/Intensivmedizi... (German) TBH I would not be surprised if the actually don't know the exact numbers. But even if it's "only" 2594 it's still too many. You could call it deliberate however if the working conditions for people under such heavy load are not improved.