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> As a user, I don't care how easy it was for a developer to write the software Most users only care about features which is directly connected to speed of sof

> As a user, I don't care how easy it was for a developer to write the software Most users only care about features which is directly connected to speed of software development. You are speaking for all users but I'm certain that things you are saying are not true for example, users don't care if an app uses "unnecessary resources" unless it's fast enough. Users definitely do not care about UI conventions, most probably don't even know there are conventions. As for security, if you are using anything written in C or C++ you already lost there.

JCWasmx86 5y ago
I think it is already about such basic, intuitive things like the order of buttons, is it [OK][Cancel] or [Cancel][OK]? Will pressing Alt+F4 close the entire window? (See MS Teams, if you open the settings dialog and and to close it). You can find probably dozens of such examples
dumpsterdiver 5y ago
> Most users only care about features which is directly connected to speed of software development. Considering that the average user refuses to wait longer than 2 seconds for a webpage to load, it's clear that people do care about more than just features. To dismiss that reality seems like a very "let them eat cake" attitude to take. Users care very much when an application makes their computer run sluggishly, and despite your disbelief, users actually do notice when an application looks different from their other applications, and they may or may not care about that. You say that users don't even know that there are UI conventions, but let me ask you this: if you created an application on a mac and moved the three buttons to close/minimize/maximize the application window from the upper left to the lower right, what percentage of users do you think would notice that UI convention change? I'm willing to bet about 100% of them. UI conventions are more than just a pretty facade, they provide hints about functionality using symbols and patterns that we've grown accustomed to, and don't even think about consciously. As for security, it's never a good look to point out how bad one thing is to justify another thing being bad also. Just because we've already lost doesn't mean we should give up.

JCWasmx86 5y ago

I think it is already about such basic, intuitive things like the order of buttons, is it [OK][Cancel] or [Cancel][OK]? Will pressing Alt+F4 close the entire window? (See MS Teams, if you open the settings dialog and and to close it). You can find probably dozens of such examples

dumpsterdiver 5y ago

> Most users only care about features which is directly connected to speed of software development. Considering that the average user refuses to wait longer than 2 seconds for a webpage to load, it's clear that people do care about more than just features. To dismiss that reality seems like a very "let them eat cake" attitude to take. Users care very much when an application makes their computer run sluggishly, and despite your disbelief, users actually do notice when an application looks different from their other applications, and they may or may not care about that. You say that users don't even know that there are UI conventions, but let me ask you this: if you created an application on a mac and moved the three buttons to close/minimize/maximize the application window from the upper left to the lower right, what percentage of users do you think would notice that UI convention change? I'm willing to bet about 100% of them. UI conventions are more than just a pretty facade, they provide hints about functionality using symbols and patterns that we've grown accustomed to, and don't even think about consciously. As for security, it's never a good look to point out how bad one thing is to justify another thing being bad also. Just because we've already lost doesn't mean we should give up.