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While data is lacking, there is absolutely no reason to suppose that the symptoms are the same as the common cold for the unvaccinated. Vaccines have both reduc

While data is lacking, there is absolutely no reason to suppose that the symptoms are the same as the common cold for the unvaccinated. Vaccines have both reduced spread and more importantly yet reduced deaths. The strategy moving forward is to both continue to press the vaccination strategy as well as mass manufacture new antivirals so we can save as many of those too short sighted to vaccinate despite themselves. It's also liable that we will be stuck with another shot in 2022. The strategy of just let it wash over us so we can get back to normal is not quite as horrifying as it was in 2020 when it meant hundreds of millions of damaged bodies and 3 million dead but it remains ridiculous. The unvaccinated who are liable to experience something no better than earlier strains aren't evenly distributed and areas where they are concentrated are especially vulnerable to their health care systems being overwhelmed but the truth is even in areas where ONLY 1 in 3 is unvaccinated we don't have the capacity for much of the population to linger in the hospital for weeks or months before deciding whether to die or not. We don't have enough antivirals manufactured yet nor do we know the long term outlook of survivors even after we can manufacture more. We don't even know if they will be as effective with the new strain! We don't have such a healthy economy that we can afford to go through another covid induced slump and believe me if deaths and illness start going up we will have another big ass slump whether an official lock down is declared or not. For at least 2022 covid is going to be a substantial workplace hazard and it is absolutely reasonable that if someone gets sick at work and experiences substantial costs, disability, or death they treat it just like a workplace accident and if we do that then mandates become the only tenable option to reduce liability and OSHA will be only a convenient excuse for your employer is in fact doing to cover their own asses. From the perspective of a worker why should I work at a place that wont even make you get a shot so you don't murder me. It seems to me a lot like letting you drive the forklift drunk an entirely unnecessary risk. It's a sellers market and I can sell my labor elsewhere.

landemva 5y ago
'We don't have enough antivirals manufactured yet' We have lots of Ivermectin, an antiviral, but it is politically difficult to discuss it rationally. It is also ridiculously cheap, so the manufacturers look for the next expensive treatment to push. 'why should I work at a place that wont even make you get a shot so you don't murder me.' If you believe your vaccinations protect you, then your statement is nonsensical. If your vaccinations don't protect you, then forcing others to take what does not work is also nonsensical. I doubt you run a forklift.
- michaelmrose 5y ago
  There is no reason to believe Ivermectin works. The single conclusive study was found to have fabricated their data. The meta analysis in the legit journal relied on that fabricated data. It is a deep irony that Ivermectin truthers search for the "truth" that the medical community was withholding an effective drug represents a rejection of the actual truth seeking process which so effectively uncovered the actual "truth" about Ivermectin after many official sources bought the lying paper. People, including actual scientists, literally "did their own research" after 30 papers had cited the lies and uncovered the various irregularities. https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-02081-w https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-02081-w Absent that there is no reason to believe its effective. Conversely we actually have data that Pfizers pill is up to 90% effective at preventing severe covid symptoms. > If you believe your vaccinations protect you, then your statement is nonsensical. If your vaccinations don't protect you, then forcing others to take what does not work is also nonsensical. This is a common rejoinder so its worthy of addressing again. I have every reason to believe that vaccines as of delta greatly decrease my chance of getting covid and greatly decrease my chances of dying of it. Nobody ever claimed that they are 100% proof against covid. Individuals can still get covid. They can still get damaged cardiovascular systems and lungs. They can still die. This is more true for some people than others. Every medium to large workplace surely has several who are far more vulnerable than others who deserve to be safe.

landemva 5y ago

'We don't have enough antivirals manufactured yet' We have lots of Ivermectin, an antiviral, but it is politically difficult to discuss it rationally. It is also ridiculously cheap, so the manufacturers look for the next expensive treatment to push. 'why should I work at a place that wont even make you get a shot so you don't murder me.' If you believe your vaccinations protect you, then your statement is nonsensical. If your vaccinations don't protect you, then forcing others to take what does not work is also nonsensical. I doubt you run a forklift.

michaelmrose 5y ago
There is no reason to believe Ivermectin works. The single conclusive study was found to have fabricated their data. The meta analysis in the legit journal relied on that fabricated data. It is a deep irony that Ivermectin truthers search for the "truth" that the medical community was withholding an effective drug represents a rejection of the actual truth seeking process which so effectively uncovered the actual "truth" about Ivermectin after many official sources bought the lying paper. People, including actual scientists, literally "did their own research" after 30 papers had cited the lies and uncovered the various irregularities. https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-02081-w https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-02081-w Absent that there is no reason to believe its effective. Conversely we actually have data that Pfizers pill is up to 90% effective at preventing severe covid symptoms. > If you believe your vaccinations protect you, then your statement is nonsensical. If your vaccinations don't protect you, then forcing others to take what does not work is also nonsensical. This is a common rejoinder so its worthy of addressing again. I have every reason to believe that vaccines as of delta greatly decrease my chance of getting covid and greatly decrease my chances of dying of it. Nobody ever claimed that they are 100% proof against covid. Individuals can still get covid. They can still get damaged cardiovascular systems and lungs. They can still die. This is more true for some people than others. Every medium to large workplace surely has several who are far more vulnerable than others who deserve to be safe.