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So I guess we should expect to hear a lot of FUD about RISC-V over the coming years.

snvzz 5y ago
This is a real possibility, albeit a sad one. No amount of FUD will save ARM. Only pivoting into a different business model could.
- duskwuff 5y ago
  Honestly, ARM is fine. They're no longer the only game in town, but they've still got a huge head start.
  - snvzz 5y ago
    They'll be fine if they focus on their microarchitectures rather than the ISA (where IMHO they've already lost), and make the process for obtaining a license much more streamlined; I've heard it takes no less than 18 months of long negotiations to license anythin from ARM. That's not sustainable now that there's competition.
    - duskwuff 5y ago
      That's already where their focus is. Most of ARM's customers are licensing specific cores from ARM, not the ISA as a whole.
    - klelatti 5y ago
      > where IMHO they've already lost Given M1, Graviton etc etc that’s a bold statement.
      - snvzz 5y ago
        High performance implementations are possible even with bad ISAs, given enough resources. x86-64 is much worse than ARM. It's a literal clusterfuck. And yet. A high performance implementation of ARM, which is a much better ISA than x86-64, was something expected to happen sooner or later. It did not surprise me.
        klelatti 5y ago
        Fair enough but I’m still not sure why you think the Arm ISA has ‘lost’?
marcodiego 5y ago
No need to wait. Already happened in 2018: https://www.theregister.com/2018/07/10/arm_riscv_website/ https://www.theregister.com/2018/07/10/arm_riscv_website/ https://www.extremetech.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/07/arm-risc-v-5-things-to-consider.png https://www.extremetech.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/07/arm-r...
- snvzz 5y ago
  And it is how many learned about RISC-V's existence. It will be a PR disaster long remembered. One for the textbooks.
- fartcannon 5y ago
  Why do people fall for this shit? Blows my mind.
- jhgb 5y ago
  I find it amusing that RISC-V allegedly creates "fragmentation risk" when platform fragmentation in the ARM ecosystem already exists and it's painful enough -- at least that's what I recall from some comparisons with the x86/PC platform with respect to Linux kernel development.

This is a real possibility, albeit a sad one. No amount of FUD will save ARM. Only pivoting into a different business model could.

duskwuff 5y ago
Honestly, ARM is fine. They're no longer the only game in town, but they've still got a huge head start.
- snvzz 5y ago
  They'll be fine if they focus on their microarchitectures rather than the ISA (where IMHO they've already lost), and make the process for obtaining a license much more streamlined; I've heard it takes no less than 18 months of long negotiations to license anythin from ARM. That's not sustainable now that there's competition.
  - duskwuff 5y ago
    That's already where their focus is. Most of ARM's customers are licensing specific cores from ARM, not the ISA as a whole.
  - klelatti 5y ago
    > where IMHO they've already lost Given M1, Graviton etc etc that’s a bold statement.
    - snvzz 5y ago
      High performance implementations are possible even with bad ISAs, given enough resources. x86-64 is much worse than ARM. It's a literal clusterfuck. And yet. A high performance implementation of ARM, which is a much better ISA than x86-64, was something expected to happen sooner or later. It did not surprise me.
      - klelatti 5y ago
        Fair enough but I’m still not sure why you think the Arm ISA has ‘lost’?

marcodiego 5y ago

No need to wait. Already happened in 2018: https://www.theregister.com/2018/07/10/arm_riscv_website/ https://www.theregister.com/2018/07/10/arm_riscv_website/ https://www.extremetech.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/07/arm-risc-v-5-things-to-consider.png https://www.extremetech.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/07/arm-r...

snvzz 5y ago
And it is how many learned about RISC-V's existence. It will be a PR disaster long remembered. One for the textbooks.
fartcannon 5y ago
Why do people fall for this shit? Blows my mind.
jhgb 5y ago
I find it amusing that RISC-V allegedly creates "fragmentation risk" when platform fragmentation in the ARM ecosystem already exists and it's painful enough -- at least that's what I recall from some comparisons with the x86/PC platform with respect to Linux kernel development.