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>This is also why people 70+ are almost fully vaccinated in the US. For that age range it’s an extremely serious disease with a high chance of killing them afte

>This is also why people 70+ are almost fully vaccinated in the US. For that age range it’s an extremely serious disease with a high chance of killing them after infection. Older people certainly dominate the vulnerable groups, but there are many other people living with various forms of immune system dysfunction. This is why the rest of us need to mask, vaccinate, and get boosters to minimize our chance of propagating the disease to the more vulnerable parts of our population. Not doing so is basically saying you don't care about other people.

stolenmerch 5y ago
Very honest and good faith question. Until when? What are the specific metrics for when we don't need masks or non-tweaked vaccines tailored to yearly variants like normal flu shots? At some point we need to say "if you are immunocompromised you need to take special precautions like you always did before covid". Just wondering out loud when that should be because for some of us it's sooner rather than later.
- dev_tty01 5y ago
  Reasonable question. I don't think we can answer that until most of the population has been vaccinated and we see how "quiet" the disease becomes. I think we are likely to be getting annual vaccinations for years to come. Don't forget that over 200,000 people in the US below age 70 have died. Most of those would not have been considered immunocompromised prior to COVID.
  - dham 5y ago
    And what is their BMI? The US was already dying.
    - dev_tty01 5y ago
      Is your point that obese people deserve to die? It has been estimated that only 30% of COVID hospitalizations were related to obesity. Since 30% don't matter by your bookkeeping, do the other 70% count? https://www.cdc.gov/obesity/data/obesity-and-covid-19.html https://www.cdc.gov/obesity/data/obesity-and-covid-19.html
      - dham 5y ago
        The number I've kept seeing is 78% of hospitalizations and death were obese.
        dham 5y ago
        https://www.cnbc.com/2021/03/08/covid-cdc-study-finds-roughly-78percent-of-people-hospitalized-were-overweight-or-obese.html https://www.cnbc.com/2021/03/08/covid-cdc-study-finds-roughl...
  - stolenmerch 5y ago
    That's actually a good point because the "until most of the population has been vaccinated" is tricky. We don't really know how effective the vaccines are against new variants. Probably better than nothing I'd guess but it also doesn't completely stop transmission. An overly optimistic timeline is 100 days to get a tweaked vaccine for a new variant but we saw that's about how long it took for Delta to move completely through Florida. That plus the possibility of animal reservoirs and many high-compliance mask and lockdown areas getting large spikes anyway leaves me skeptical we can necessarily solve this through the public health policies that have been tried. I just want answers like everyone else and am trying to just learn to be healthy and live with this virus for the rest of my life. Happy to get an annual shot like the flu when/if this becomes endemic and seasonal.
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- amanaplanacanal 5y ago
  Where I live, precautions are specifically targeting hospital capacity. So I would expect that once hospitals are no longer under threat of being overwhelmed, requirements will be removed.

stolenmerch 5y ago

Very honest and good faith question. Until when? What are the specific metrics for when we don't need masks or non-tweaked vaccines tailored to yearly variants like normal flu shots? At some point we need to say "if you are immunocompromised you need to take special precautions like you always did before covid". Just wondering out loud when that should be because for some of us it's sooner rather than later.

dev_tty01 5y ago
Reasonable question. I don't think we can answer that until most of the population has been vaccinated and we see how "quiet" the disease becomes. I think we are likely to be getting annual vaccinations for years to come. Don't forget that over 200,000 people in the US below age 70 have died. Most of those would not have been considered immunocompromised prior to COVID.
- dham 5y ago
  And what is their BMI? The US was already dying.
  - dev_tty01 5y ago
    Is your point that obese people deserve to die? It has been estimated that only 30% of COVID hospitalizations were related to obesity. Since 30% don't matter by your bookkeeping, do the other 70% count? https://www.cdc.gov/obesity/data/obesity-and-covid-19.html https://www.cdc.gov/obesity/data/obesity-and-covid-19.html
    - dham 5y ago
      The number I've kept seeing is 78% of hospitalizations and death were obese.
      - dham 5y ago
        https://www.cnbc.com/2021/03/08/covid-cdc-study-finds-roughly-78percent-of-people-hospitalized-were-overweight-or-obese.html https://www.cnbc.com/2021/03/08/covid-cdc-study-finds-roughl...
- stolenmerch 5y ago
  That's actually a good point because the "until most of the population has been vaccinated" is tricky. We don't really know how effective the vaccines are against new variants. Probably better than nothing I'd guess but it also doesn't completely stop transmission. An overly optimistic timeline is 100 days to get a tweaked vaccine for a new variant but we saw that's about how long it took for Delta to move completely through Florida. That plus the possibility of animal reservoirs and many high-compliance mask and lockdown areas getting large spikes anyway leaves me skeptical we can necessarily solve this through the public health policies that have been tried. I just want answers like everyone else and am trying to just learn to be healthy and live with this virus for the rest of my life. Happy to get an annual shot like the flu when/if this becomes endemic and seasonal.
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amanaplanacanal 5y ago
Where I live, precautions are specifically targeting hospital capacity. So I would expect that once hospitals are no longer under threat of being overwhelmed, requirements will be removed.