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I'd argue that all the things you are listing are also on the inside of the system. There's certainly an element of rebellion to protests for example, but it's

I'd argue that all the things you are listing are also on the inside of the system. There's certainly an element of rebellion to protests for example, but it's also a consolation price. Elon Musk doesn't have to protest, neither does Jeff Bozos. They just call up their preferred politician and the system dances for them. Protests are an opium fed to the disenfranchised masses to keep them from fundamentally changing the system. It's the last pressure valve. Kept just out of reach so that people won't use it, but highlighted to make sure that you aren't allowed to change the system without first doing it. I think the system is whack, and that's the reason people don't want to fight it. They've given up.

mcguire 5y ago
But grassroots campaigns and protests do result in change. Not quickly enough for many people, but if your alternative is burning everything down....
- delusional 5y ago
  Grassroots campaigns and protests let you change the small stuff around the edges. The system provides you with just enough knobs to play with to keep you oblivious to all the ones you can't.
  - kelseyfrog 5y ago
    Construct an self-reinforcing reality aimed at dismantling the current enabling structures. That's exactly as hard or as easy as it sounds.
- hellbannedguy 5y ago
  Nonviolent protests don't seem to get much change. People get angry over years of absolute no change. It seems like there's a happy medium, as long as no one is killed. (The media usually sensationalizes the protest too. Hell---CVS planned on closing 200 California stores years ago. How do I know? I just know. I heard a spokesman for CVS claim that theft was the reason. When asked about which exact stores were hit hard--she didn't have an answer. When there's a violent protest, and the disenfranchised guys break a window and steal. The tv stations play the same isolated incident over, and over again.)
- hoseja 5y ago
  Occupy had a chance to maybe actually change something. Then one night, all the significant leaders were disappeared and nobody ever heard about it again, really.

mcguire 5y ago

But grassroots campaigns and protests do result in change. Not quickly enough for many people, but if your alternative is burning everything down....

delusional 5y ago
Grassroots campaigns and protests let you change the small stuff around the edges. The system provides you with just enough knobs to play with to keep you oblivious to all the ones you can't.
- kelseyfrog 5y ago
  Construct an self-reinforcing reality aimed at dismantling the current enabling structures. That's exactly as hard or as easy as it sounds.
hellbannedguy 5y ago
Nonviolent protests don't seem to get much change. People get angry over years of absolute no change. It seems like there's a happy medium, as long as no one is killed. (The media usually sensationalizes the protest too. Hell---CVS planned on closing 200 California stores years ago. How do I know? I just know. I heard a spokesman for CVS claim that theft was the reason. When asked about which exact stores were hit hard--she didn't have an answer. When there's a violent protest, and the disenfranchised guys break a window and steal. The tv stations play the same isolated incident over, and over again.)
hoseja 5y ago
Occupy had a chance to maybe actually change something. Then one night, all the significant leaders were disappeared and nobody ever heard about it again, really.