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I'm not laughing at all. The politicians who brokered this steaming pile lied about its efficacy to get the foot in the door.

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Arnt 5y ago
Several of the common diseases require more than 90% vaccine coverage to get herd immunity. Is there any particular reason why this vaccine shouldn't? I've seen early estimates of less than that, but feh. An estimate from well before the vaccines are in production wasn't going to be accurate.
- briandon 5y ago
  Gibraltar was 140%+ vaccinated and that wasn't enough to save Christmas there. https://news.yahoo.com/gibraltar-cancels-official-christmas-celebrations-covid-coronavirus-163444274.html https://news.yahoo.com/gibraltar-cancels-official-christmas-...
  - the_mar 5y ago
    I thought we already knew that two shots give you 6 months of immunity, assuming people with boosters are the 39.5%, wouldn't the 60.5% be just as susceptible
  - crooked-v 5y ago
    Gibraltar's economy is tourism- and travel-centric. Just using the population of people who live there full-time doesn't capture anything about the disease spread or vaccinations with temporary visitors (upwards of five million per year).
- angelzen 5y ago
  The argument is that herd immunity for covid cannot be attained via vaccines. Not even 100% vaccination. The comparison with measles, another contagious airborne disease, is instructive. The threshold for herd immunity is estimated at 94%. This is possible because the vaccine effectiveness against infection is also 93-97%. Unfortunately covid vaccines have waning effectiveness against infection, estimated at about 50% after 6 months, and possibly waning even further. "Five reasons why COVID herd immunity is probably impossible" https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-00728-2 https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-00728-2 "For example, the measles is a highly contagious illness. It's estimated that 94% of the population must be immune to interrupt the chain of transmission." https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/coronavirus/in-depth/herd-immunity-and-coronavirus/art-20486808 https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/coronavirus/i... "One dose of MMR vaccine is 93% effective against measles, 78% effective against mumps, and 97% effective against rubella. Two doses of MMR vaccine are 97% effective against measles and 88% effective against mumps." https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/vpd/mmr/public/index.html https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/vpd/mmr/public/index.html "Effectiveness against infections declined from 88% (95% CI 86–89) during the first month after full vaccination to 47% (43–51) after 5 months." https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(21)02183-8/fulltext https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6...

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Arnt 5y ago

Several of the common diseases require more than 90% vaccine coverage to get herd immunity. Is there any particular reason why this vaccine shouldn't? I've seen early estimates of less than that, but feh. An estimate from well before the vaccines are in production wasn't going to be accurate.

briandon 5y ago
Gibraltar was 140%+ vaccinated and that wasn't enough to save Christmas there. https://news.yahoo.com/gibraltar-cancels-official-christmas-celebrations-covid-coronavirus-163444274.html https://news.yahoo.com/gibraltar-cancels-official-christmas-...
- the_mar 5y ago
  I thought we already knew that two shots give you 6 months of immunity, assuming people with boosters are the 39.5%, wouldn't the 60.5% be just as susceptible
- crooked-v 5y ago
  Gibraltar's economy is tourism- and travel-centric. Just using the population of people who live there full-time doesn't capture anything about the disease spread or vaccinations with temporary visitors (upwards of five million per year).
angelzen 5y ago
The argument is that herd immunity for covid cannot be attained via vaccines. Not even 100% vaccination. The comparison with measles, another contagious airborne disease, is instructive. The threshold for herd immunity is estimated at 94%. This is possible because the vaccine effectiveness against infection is also 93-97%. Unfortunately covid vaccines have waning effectiveness against infection, estimated at about 50% after 6 months, and possibly waning even further. "Five reasons why COVID herd immunity is probably impossible" https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-00728-2 https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-00728-2 "For example, the measles is a highly contagious illness. It's estimated that 94% of the population must be immune to interrupt the chain of transmission." https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/coronavirus/in-depth/herd-immunity-and-coronavirus/art-20486808 https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/coronavirus/i... "One dose of MMR vaccine is 93% effective against measles, 78% effective against mumps, and 97% effective against rubella. Two doses of MMR vaccine are 97% effective against measles and 88% effective against mumps." https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/vpd/mmr/public/index.html https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/vpd/mmr/public/index.html "Effectiveness against infections declined from 88% (95% CI 86–89) during the first month after full vaccination to 47% (43–51) after 5 months." https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(21)02183-8/fulltext https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6...