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> macOS only runs on very expensive hardware and doesn't run most programs people need (because the business world is still Windows oriented) This is an outdat

by r00fus 5y ago

> macOS only runs on very expensive hardware and doesn't run most programs people need (because the business world is still Windows oriented) This is an outdated take - it's functionally untrue in most business settings. Gaming on the other hand, is very much still mostly Windows only.

mackal 5y ago
> Gaming on the other hand, is very much still mostly Windows only. I game a lot, I haven't rebooted into Windows in well over a year. Luckily I don't really play games that require stupid DRM/anticheat (although, that is being worked on) I would probably start playing Apex Legends again if they allowed EAC Linux support. Epic added support, the devs just need to support it -.-
- FinalBriefing 5y ago
  I've had a great experience with Lutris for Linux. https://lutris.net/ https://lutris.net/
- godshatter 5y ago
  Steam with proton, proton glorious eggroll, vulkan, lutris, and recent changes to wine have been a godsend for gaming on linux. It's night and day now. Aside from some really old games and newer competitive games (which I don't play regardless of OS), there are very few games that I can't play well in my 200+ steam games library. I often play native games in Windows emulation mode because a lot of linux ports are terrible but proton makes them play much better even though it's running the Windows binaries.
  - jonny_eh 5y ago
    > proton glorious eggroll what?
    - 1_player 5y ago
      https://github.com/GloriousEggroll/proton-ge-custom https://github.com/GloriousEggroll/proton-ge-custom An experimental patchset for Wine/Proton. Might help with some newer titles, and Steam gives you the choice per-game to target a specific Proton version.
    - godshatter 5y ago
      It's a version of proton with some of the enhancements that the main proton team either won't or haven't added yet. I haven't looked into whether it's an individual dev doing this on their own or if they are affiliated with the proton team. I run the GE versions of proton because they solve some problems I have in certain games without breaking anything. It's my understanding that the proton devs are from the same team as the wine devs and that they have strict rules about introducing new code that doesn't meet certain standards for wine (i.e. affecting more than just games). The GE builds include some of this code that hasn't been integrated yet "in the right way". This is all just my understanding from reading various discussions, so may be incorrect in whole or in part.
smoldesu 5y ago
I'd agree if they still had 32-bit support. Nowadays though, even most creatives are getting frustrated by the vicious upgrade cycle and outright refusal to continue support for fairly modern tooling. If by "business" you mean word processing and web browsing, then... yeah. Chromebooks are also a competitor if we're bringing the bar that low.
- nyuszika7h 5y ago
  Honestly, Apple (and Microsoft) should have dropped 32-bit support sooner. The only reason it's such a big issue now is because lazy developers kept building apps that are 32-bit only because "it works fine on 64-bit systems". The same thing happened with the Python 2 -> 3 transition.
  - smoldesu 5y ago
    That doesn't really fix the paradigm today though. A lot of people (myself included) consider 32-bit support to be essential if they want their device to run everything they want, and I don't really see that going away until there are convenient, performant ways to execute 32-bit code on modern CPUs.
  - selfhoster11 5y ago
    A big reason why some people stayed on 32-bit was that 64 bit consumes more memory while providing not much useful in return when your address space doesn't exceed 4GB. In an era when you rarely had machines with this much RAM, 32 bit computing is a perfectly rational choice to maximise the amount of memory available.
- Tagbert 5y ago
  When I installed Catalina, only 6 32-bit apps were flagged. I had already known about one of them and had moved on to a replacement app. I had forgotten about the others and this was just some junk cleanup for me.
nitrogen 5y ago
functionally untrue in most business settings Most business settings have some absolutely critical custom software written in Winforms or something that can't be ported, plus an entire machine of IT personnel and software tools that would be just as costly to convert.
- dogma1138 5y ago
  Microsoft somewhat already did the work needed to migrate of windows by making Active Directory and Group Policy irrelevant. With office 365 and intune you can essentially have the same control as traditional AD joined machines actually Intune probably has better management than GPO these days. The only thing that is still missing for corpo is Intune for Linux and even that isn’t 100% required as long as there will be Intune for Edge on Linux, once you can manage the browser the majority of the controls the organization needs are handled.
- fragmede 5y ago
  So run it through Parallels. If IT doesn't want to do it that's a different problem, but the Windows on Intel Macs hasn't been a problem for business programs for a while.
- Tagbert 5y ago
  “custom software written in Winforms or something that can't be ported” I haven’t seen any of these in almost a decade. there are specialized use cases that require some specialized software, but for most business operations the software works cross platform or runs from web apps. I used to keep a parallels instance to run MS SQL server for some tasks but we have even transitioned that to a less propriety setup.
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by r00fus 5y ago

mackal 5y ago

> Gaming on the other hand, is very much still mostly Windows only. I game a lot, I haven't rebooted into Windows in well over a year. Luckily I don't really play games that require stupid DRM/anticheat (although, that is being worked on) I would probably start playing Apex Legends again if they allowed EAC Linux support. Epic added support, the devs just need to support it -.-

FinalBriefing 5y ago
I've had a great experience with Lutris for Linux. https://lutris.net/ https://lutris.net/
godshatter 5y ago
Steam with proton, proton glorious eggroll, vulkan, lutris, and recent changes to wine have been a godsend for gaming on linux. It's night and day now. Aside from some really old games and newer competitive games (which I don't play regardless of OS), there are very few games that I can't play well in my 200+ steam games library. I often play native games in Windows emulation mode because a lot of linux ports are terrible but proton makes them play much better even though it's running the Windows binaries.
- jonny_eh 5y ago
  > proton glorious eggroll what?
  - 1_player 5y ago
    https://github.com/GloriousEggroll/proton-ge-custom https://github.com/GloriousEggroll/proton-ge-custom An experimental patchset for Wine/Proton. Might help with some newer titles, and Steam gives you the choice per-game to target a specific Proton version.
  - godshatter 5y ago
    It's a version of proton with some of the enhancements that the main proton team either won't or haven't added yet. I haven't looked into whether it's an individual dev doing this on their own or if they are affiliated with the proton team. I run the GE versions of proton because they solve some problems I have in certain games without breaking anything. It's my understanding that the proton devs are from the same team as the wine devs and that they have strict rules about introducing new code that doesn't meet certain standards for wine (i.e. affecting more than just games). The GE builds include some of this code that hasn't been integrated yet "in the right way". This is all just my understanding from reading various discussions, so may be incorrect in whole or in part.

smoldesu 5y ago

I'd agree if they still had 32-bit support. Nowadays though, even most creatives are getting frustrated by the vicious upgrade cycle and outright refusal to continue support for fairly modern tooling. If by "business" you mean word processing and web browsing, then... yeah. Chromebooks are also a competitor if we're bringing the bar that low.

nyuszika7h 5y ago
Honestly, Apple (and Microsoft) should have dropped 32-bit support sooner. The only reason it's such a big issue now is because lazy developers kept building apps that are 32-bit only because "it works fine on 64-bit systems". The same thing happened with the Python 2 -> 3 transition.
- smoldesu 5y ago
  That doesn't really fix the paradigm today though. A lot of people (myself included) consider 32-bit support to be essential if they want their device to run everything they want, and I don't really see that going away until there are convenient, performant ways to execute 32-bit code on modern CPUs.
- selfhoster11 5y ago
  A big reason why some people stayed on 32-bit was that 64 bit consumes more memory while providing not much useful in return when your address space doesn't exceed 4GB. In an era when you rarely had machines with this much RAM, 32 bit computing is a perfectly rational choice to maximise the amount of memory available.
Tagbert 5y ago
When I installed Catalina, only 6 32-bit apps were flagged. I had already known about one of them and had moved on to a replacement app. I had forgotten about the others and this was just some junk cleanup for me.

nitrogen 5y ago

functionally untrue in most business settings Most business settings have some absolutely critical custom software written in Winforms or something that can't be ported, plus an entire machine of IT personnel and software tools that would be just as costly to convert.

dogma1138 5y ago
Microsoft somewhat already did the work needed to migrate of windows by making Active Directory and Group Policy irrelevant. With office 365 and intune you can essentially have the same control as traditional AD joined machines actually Intune probably has better management than GPO these days. The only thing that is still missing for corpo is Intune for Linux and even that isn’t 100% required as long as there will be Intune for Edge on Linux, once you can manage the browser the majority of the controls the organization needs are handled.
fragmede 5y ago
So run it through Parallels. If IT doesn't want to do it that's a different problem, but the Windows on Intel Macs hasn't been a problem for business programs for a while.
Tagbert 5y ago
“custom software written in Winforms or something that can't be ported” I haven’t seen any of these in almost a decade. there are specialized use cases that require some specialized software, but for most business operations the software works cross platform or runs from web apps. I used to keep a parallels instance to run MS SQL server for some tasks but we have even transitioned that to a less propriety setup.

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