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Congrats to Vivaldi! There is a good interview with Vivaldi founder on Tedium [1] where he basically says that because most browsers are built on Chromium nowa

Congrats to Vivaldi! There is a good interview with Vivaldi founder on Tedium [1] where he basically says that because most browsers are built on Chromium nowadays, you have to innovate on features and that is the direction they took. And really the number of features in Vivaldi is staggering including some great ones like Tab Stacking and Tab Tiling. But adding this many features took a toll on performance and it is about 25% slower than other Chromium based browsers. Also I assume that is the reason why is there no Vivaldi on iOS. [1] https://tedium.co/2021/02/05/vivaldi-browser-history-profile/ https://tedium.co/2021/02/05/vivaldi-browser-history-profile...

therealmarv 5y ago
There is not even one Chromium (or Firefox) based browser on iOS because it's not allowed to publish other browser engines on iOS!
- ajhurliman 5y ago
  I'm using Brave on my iPhone right now.
  - speedgoose 5y ago
    It's safari with a skin and some cryptoscams.
    - RankingMember 5y ago
      I really wish the crypto garbage would be dropped from Brave. Makes it feel jumbled and spammy after a fresh install.
  - PixyMisa 5y ago
    Well, yes, except no. Brave on iOS is Webkit with a fancy wrapper.
    - ajhurliman 5y ago
      TIL!
    - KarlKemp 5y ago
      A shitty wrapper. The answer to the question “why isn’t there another middleman between content and readers, scamming both?”
- freediver 5y ago
  To be more accurate there are no Blink or Gecko based browsers on iOS. Both Firefox and Chrome (and many other Chromium browsers) exist on iOS, using WebKit rendering engine.
  - skrowl 5y ago
    Technically correct, but the Firefox and Chrome listed in the iOS lockdown store are basically just skins on top of WebKit, not actually different web browsers (like they are on Android and other modern operating systems). It sounds like the EU and others may be fixing this soon by forcing Apple to allow other app stores on their devices if they want to continue selling devices in their regions. Presumably Amazon store / Epic store / etc on iOS will carry real Firefox / Chrome.
    - freediver 5y ago
      What do you mean by skin on top of WebKit? WebKit itself just renders the web page. The browser manufacturer has to build an entire browser and decide how to treat user privacy for example, does it have telemetry and what kind, whether to use native controls or not, what browser features to implement like reader mode, how to handle multiple tabs, gestures etc.. Calling that a skin is same as calling Vivaldi a skin of Chromium disregarding the effort made to make it different.
      - lewispollard 5y ago
        Well... Yes, Vivaldi is a skin of Chromium, that doesn't mean there isn't a lot of effort going into that skin. The point is that Firefox and Chrome on iOS are not the same browser as Firefox and Chrome on any other platform. For example, if I get a bug report from someone saying they're using Chrome on mobile, if they then say they're using iOS, that's a whole different kettle of fish from any other Chrome bug report I might get. It's going to be much closer to a Safari-related bug than a Chrome one, in a conventional sense.
        freediver 5y ago
rjzzleep 5y ago
Is the UI still as horribly laggy? I try vivaldi every other year because people say it's faster, but it's almost as if those people only run that beast on a desktop or fully specced 15" laptops
- jjordan 5y ago
  I'm in the same boat. I've wanted to switch to them for years, but once I get it loaded with my requisite plugins and start using it for a while, the UI inevitably begins to experience random lags and moments of unresponsiveness.
  - stereoradonc 5y ago
    Never a problem in my 4 years of use.
- vadfa 5y ago
  Exactly what I was going to ask. They wrote the UI in javascript with obvious consequences. The day they rewrite it in a normal language they will see me again.
- Tomis02 5y ago
  Runs fine on my nothing special 6-7 year old computer. I also disable tab rendering and use the tab side panel instead, I'm not sure if that makes a difference.
  - nsonha 5y ago
    it's not that it's slow or resource hogs, it's janky which gives the same impression as being laggy
    - Tomis02 5y ago
      I see. If you're willing to give it another try, perhaps try and customize away all the fancy bells and whistles (for example I disabled tabs altogether and just use the side panel for displaying the tabs but I'm sure there's other settings as well).
shortformblog 5y ago
Author of that piece—was great chatting with Jon von Tetzchner. FWIW, I daily drive it on an M1 MacBook Air now that there’s a native Apple Silicon version and I don’t really see the slowdown issues. Also, his recommendation in the piece of creating a minimal profile is one that I think a lot of people might find valuable when using Vivaldi.
drewcoo 5y ago
Low performance seems strange, given the perf culture at Opera. I assume they still beat a potato, though. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zaT7thTxyq8 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zaT7thTxyq8

therealmarv 5y ago

There is not even one Chromium (or Firefox) based browser on iOS because it's not allowed to publish other browser engines on iOS!

ajhurliman 5y ago
I'm using Brave on my iPhone right now.
- speedgoose 5y ago
  It's safari with a skin and some cryptoscams.
  - RankingMember 5y ago
    I really wish the crypto garbage would be dropped from Brave. Makes it feel jumbled and spammy after a fresh install.
- PixyMisa 5y ago
  Well, yes, except no. Brave on iOS is Webkit with a fancy wrapper.
  - ajhurliman 5y ago
    TIL!
  - KarlKemp 5y ago
    A shitty wrapper. The answer to the question “why isn’t there another middleman between content and readers, scamming both?”
freediver 5y ago
To be more accurate there are no Blink or Gecko based browsers on iOS. Both Firefox and Chrome (and many other Chromium browsers) exist on iOS, using WebKit rendering engine.
- skrowl 5y ago
  Technically correct, but the Firefox and Chrome listed in the iOS lockdown store are basically just skins on top of WebKit, not actually different web browsers (like they are on Android and other modern operating systems). It sounds like the EU and others may be fixing this soon by forcing Apple to allow other app stores on their devices if they want to continue selling devices in their regions. Presumably Amazon store / Epic store / etc on iOS will carry real Firefox / Chrome.
  - freediver 5y ago
    What do you mean by skin on top of WebKit? WebKit itself just renders the web page. The browser manufacturer has to build an entire browser and decide how to treat user privacy for example, does it have telemetry and what kind, whether to use native controls or not, what browser features to implement like reader mode, how to handle multiple tabs, gestures etc.. Calling that a skin is same as calling Vivaldi a skin of Chromium disregarding the effort made to make it different.
    - lewispollard 5y ago
      Well... Yes, Vivaldi is a skin of Chromium, that doesn't mean there isn't a lot of effort going into that skin. The point is that Firefox and Chrome on iOS are not the same browser as Firefox and Chrome on any other platform. For example, if I get a bug report from someone saying they're using Chrome on mobile, if they then say they're using iOS, that's a whole different kettle of fish from any other Chrome bug report I might get. It's going to be much closer to a Safari-related bug than a Chrome one, in a conventional sense.
      - freediver 5y ago

rjzzleep 5y ago

Is the UI still as horribly laggy? I try vivaldi every other year because people say it's faster, but it's almost as if those people only run that beast on a desktop or fully specced 15" laptops

jjordan 5y ago
I'm in the same boat. I've wanted to switch to them for years, but once I get it loaded with my requisite plugins and start using it for a while, the UI inevitably begins to experience random lags and moments of unresponsiveness.
- stereoradonc 5y ago
  Never a problem in my 4 years of use.
vadfa 5y ago
Exactly what I was going to ask. They wrote the UI in javascript with obvious consequences. The day they rewrite it in a normal language they will see me again.
Tomis02 5y ago
Runs fine on my nothing special 6-7 year old computer. I also disable tab rendering and use the tab side panel instead, I'm not sure if that makes a difference.
- nsonha 5y ago
  it's not that it's slow or resource hogs, it's janky which gives the same impression as being laggy
  - Tomis02 5y ago
    I see. If you're willing to give it another try, perhaps try and customize away all the fancy bells and whistles (for example I disabled tabs altogether and just use the side panel for displaying the tabs but I'm sure there's other settings as well).

shortformblog 5y ago

Author of that piece—was great chatting with Jon von Tetzchner. FWIW, I daily drive it on an M1 MacBook Air now that there’s a native Apple Silicon version and I don’t really see the slowdown issues. Also, his recommendation in the piece of creating a minimal profile is one that I think a lot of people might find valuable when using Vivaldi.

drewcoo 5y ago

Low performance seems strange, given the perf culture at Opera. I assume they still beat a potato, though. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zaT7thTxyq8 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zaT7thTxyq8