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Show HN: I built an online programming language

67 points by sandes 5y ago

sandes 5y ago
It's a multi-language pseudocode interpreter so you can write and run code in English, Spanish, Portuguese and French in your browser.
- rabarbers 5y ago
  Link to documentation is broken: https://codigo.so/docs/ https://codigo.so/docs/ (also link to community is broken, but I care more about Documentation link).
  - sandes 5y ago
    Yes, I'm building it, you can see some examples at https://codigo.so/editor.en/ https://codigo.so/editor.en/ [Ctrl + Enter] list all built in functions
- fruit2299 5y ago
  awesome!
fjfaase 5y ago
I build a meta online programming language, where you can define your own grammar ;-). See: https://fransfaase.github.io/ParserWorkshop/Online_inter_parser.html https://fransfaase.github.io/ParserWorkshop/Online_inter_par... An example grammar is found at the bottom of the page.
alexvoda 5y ago
Will you open source this? If yes, i would like to contribute another language. Also, since this is supposed to be pseudocode, maybe it would be better to replace the atribution operator with something else, and the comparison operators with their math variants.
rmnclmnt 5y ago
The french pseudo-code reminded me of my freshman year in Computer Science degree, so much nostalgia! Completely forgot about all that since then, but I wonder if using your mother tongue to learn programming is truly effective, especially in non-English speaking countries?
- sandes 5y ago
  :) Glad to hear this! In teaching, simplification is really important. Take a look at this [1] simple script in Portuguese and tell me if it seems intuitive to you. This is the situation of most of the people trying to learn to code here in Argentina/Latam using very large and professional programming languages. I hope this can help them. [1] https://codigo.so/editor.pt/fb3e08c2-e929-4379-81fa-c3126bbdf3e1 https://codigo.so/editor.pt/fb3e08c2-e929-4379-81fa-c3126bbd...
  - rmnclmnt 5y ago
    Sorry, I do not speak Portuguese! However, I could easily find-out what the snippet was doing by simple logic. I have been teaching programming/data for the past 2 years and you're right, simplification is of utmost importance for students. Actually, when teaching programming with Python, I go with them in the process of translating their logic to English first then it's almost a 1-to-1 mapping with the instruction set (for simple algorithms). Same goes for SQL. Anyhow, nice concept here, curious to see where it goes!
    - sandes 5y ago
      Thank you for your feedback. I think codigo.so can be good for non-English speaking students trying to learn to code. For the HN audience it doesn't add much value.
- dgellow 5y ago
  Translating programming languages and computer science concepts is IMHO a terrible idea. That creates fragmentation, which makes it very difficult to get access to the broader programming community and provides very little benefits for students understanding. Based on my personal experience, in the French speaking world almost everything is translated, which makes it hard to find online references and creates a lot of friction when you start to be confronted to the English terminology. As an example, "a thread" is a term I can easily search online and that everybody is using, where "un fil d'exécution" is used by absolutely nobody. You basically have to learn everything twice. Regarding programming languages, one of the first job I had was with WinDev, using the French dialect. It was a horror to deal with it, and makes it especially hard to switch to something else if you get too comfortable with it. Something that people pushing for translation miss is that a programming language isn't an actual language where you have words that you compose. It is a set of operators/keywords to express a logic or to produce an effect. The actual operators/keywords do not matter that much when you're learning: "for", "var", "while", "if" are just keywords that you map in your mind to the actual effect they produce. They could technically be replaced by shapes or emoji without creating too much learning issues (terrible idea, please do not do this). By learning the same English keywords that everybody is using you can at least easily switch between technologies and get access to the wider international community.
SwiftyBug 5y ago
Very cool! As a native speaker of Portuguese, I think it would look nicer the verbs were all in the same conjugation, simple present. You have "retornar" (return) which is in infinitive form and "escreva" write which is in the present imperative mode. I would choose to put all the verbs in the simple present: retorna => return faz => do escreve => print I couldn't find the Portuguese version for "break", but in my opinion it should be "quebra" or "interrompe". If this project becomes open source, I'll be happy to contribute.
- Vox_Leone 5y ago
  Great project. Congratulations. I am also a pt_BR speaker. To be completely frank, I would say I'm more comfortable programming in English. In the “test” example, for instance, I wouldn't know which alias to use, whether 'verdadeiro' or 'verdade'. But it's pretty cool in English. Kudos
  - sandes 5y ago
    Thank you! Can you help me set the correct alias for each word in portuguese?
    - deleted 5y ago
      [deleted]
  - SwiftyBug 5y ago
    I'd only choose "verdade" if its opposite is "mentira". Otherwise, I'd go with "verdadeiro", which goes better with "falso".
- sandes 5y ago
  Thank you! I really appreciate this :)
- rlf_dev 5y ago
  I also think having everything in the formal form makes it a little bit jarring, like the sample code in the main page having the keyword "faca" when "faz" would be much more clearer.
Raudius 5y ago
I built a similar (albeit less polished) javascript interpreted language as a lockdown project. https://github.com/raudius/homegrown https://github.com/raudius/homegrown
ksec 5y ago
Off Topic, at the bottom of the page; >Backed by AWS startup programs What does that mean ?
- midwestemo 5y ago
  I think it's meaning this https://aws.amazon.com/startups/ https://aws.amazon.com/startups/
  - ksec 5y ago
    I was thinking something similar, because for a moment I thought AWS are starting to fund startups.
- sandes 5y ago
  No big deal, I applied with my company Cardallot Inc. and they gave me $ 20k in credits
clintonc 5y ago
"Docs" is broken :) How can I learn about the language, aside from the examples? This scratches a peculiar itch that I have which isn't quite addressed by other solutions (codepen, stackblitz, replit, etc). Can you import libraries at all?
- sandes 5y ago
  > "Docs" is broken Yes, I'm building it, you can see some examples at https://codigo.so/editor.en/ https://codigo.so/editor.en/ [Ctrl + Enter] list all built in functions > by other solutions (codepen, stackblitz, replit, etc) No, codigo.so is a pseudocode interpreter specially designed for people who don't speak English.

67 points by sandes 5y ago

It's a multi-language pseudocode interpreter so you can write and run code in English, Spanish, Portuguese and French in your browser.

rabarbers 5y ago
Link to documentation is broken: https://codigo.so/docs/ https://codigo.so/docs/ (also link to community is broken, but I care more about Documentation link).
- sandes 5y ago
  Yes, I'm building it, you can see some examples at https://codigo.so/editor.en/ https://codigo.so/editor.en/ [Ctrl + Enter] list all built in functions
fruit2299 5y ago
awesome!

fjfaase 5y ago

I build a meta online programming language, where you can define your own grammar ;-). See: https://fransfaase.github.io/ParserWorkshop/Online_inter_parser.html https://fransfaase.github.io/ParserWorkshop/Online_inter_par... An example grammar is found at the bottom of the page.

alexvoda 5y ago

Will you open source this? If yes, i would like to contribute another language. Also, since this is supposed to be pseudocode, maybe it would be better to replace the atribution operator with something else, and the comparison operators with their math variants.

rmnclmnt 5y ago

The french pseudo-code reminded me of my freshman year in Computer Science degree, so much nostalgia! Completely forgot about all that since then, but I wonder if using your mother tongue to learn programming is truly effective, especially in non-English speaking countries?

sandes 5y ago
:) Glad to hear this! In teaching, simplification is really important. Take a look at this [1] simple script in Portuguese and tell me if it seems intuitive to you. This is the situation of most of the people trying to learn to code here in Argentina/Latam using very large and professional programming languages. I hope this can help them. [1] https://codigo.so/editor.pt/fb3e08c2-e929-4379-81fa-c3126bbdf3e1 https://codigo.so/editor.pt/fb3e08c2-e929-4379-81fa-c3126bbd...
- rmnclmnt 5y ago
  Sorry, I do not speak Portuguese! However, I could easily find-out what the snippet was doing by simple logic. I have been teaching programming/data for the past 2 years and you're right, simplification is of utmost importance for students. Actually, when teaching programming with Python, I go with them in the process of translating their logic to English first then it's almost a 1-to-1 mapping with the instruction set (for simple algorithms). Same goes for SQL. Anyhow, nice concept here, curious to see where it goes!
  - sandes 5y ago
    Thank you for your feedback. I think codigo.so can be good for non-English speaking students trying to learn to code. For the HN audience it doesn't add much value.
dgellow 5y ago
Translating programming languages and computer science concepts is IMHO a terrible idea. That creates fragmentation, which makes it very difficult to get access to the broader programming community and provides very little benefits for students understanding. Based on my personal experience, in the French speaking world almost everything is translated, which makes it hard to find online references and creates a lot of friction when you start to be confronted to the English terminology. As an example, "a thread" is a term I can easily search online and that everybody is using, where "un fil d'exécution" is used by absolutely nobody. You basically have to learn everything twice. Regarding programming languages, one of the first job I had was with WinDev, using the French dialect. It was a horror to deal with it, and makes it especially hard to switch to something else if you get too comfortable with it. Something that people pushing for translation miss is that a programming language isn't an actual language where you have words that you compose. It is a set of operators/keywords to express a logic or to produce an effect. The actual operators/keywords do not matter that much when you're learning: "for", "var", "while", "if" are just keywords that you map in your mind to the actual effect they produce. They could technically be replaced by shapes or emoji without creating too much learning issues (terrible idea, please do not do this). By learning the same English keywords that everybody is using you can at least easily switch between technologies and get access to the wider international community.

SwiftyBug 5y ago

Very cool! As a native speaker of Portuguese, I think it would look nicer the verbs were all in the same conjugation, simple present. You have "retornar" (return) which is in infinitive form and "escreva" write which is in the present imperative mode. I would choose to put all the verbs in the simple present: retorna => return faz => do escreve => print I couldn't find the Portuguese version for "break", but in my opinion it should be "quebra" or "interrompe". If this project becomes open source, I'll be happy to contribute.

Vox_Leone 5y ago
Great project. Congratulations. I am also a pt_BR speaker. To be completely frank, I would say I'm more comfortable programming in English. In the “test” example, for instance, I wouldn't know which alias to use, whether 'verdadeiro' or 'verdade'. But it's pretty cool in English. Kudos
- sandes 5y ago
  Thank you! Can you help me set the correct alias for each word in portuguese?
  - deleted 5y ago
    [deleted]
- SwiftyBug 5y ago
  I'd only choose "verdade" if its opposite is "mentira". Otherwise, I'd go with "verdadeiro", which goes better with "falso".
sandes 5y ago
Thank you! I really appreciate this :)
rlf_dev 5y ago
I also think having everything in the formal form makes it a little bit jarring, like the sample code in the main page having the keyword "faca" when "faz" would be much more clearer.

Raudius 5y ago

I built a similar (albeit less polished) javascript interpreted language as a lockdown project. https://github.com/raudius/homegrown https://github.com/raudius/homegrown

ksec 5y ago

Off Topic, at the bottom of the page; >Backed by AWS startup programs What does that mean ?

midwestemo 5y ago
I think it's meaning this https://aws.amazon.com/startups/ https://aws.amazon.com/startups/
- ksec 5y ago
  I was thinking something similar, because for a moment I thought AWS are starting to fund startups.
sandes 5y ago
No big deal, I applied with my company Cardallot Inc. and they gave me $ 20k in credits

clintonc 5y ago

"Docs" is broken :) How can I learn about the language, aside from the examples? This scratches a peculiar itch that I have which isn't quite addressed by other solutions (codepen, stackblitz, replit, etc). Can you import libraries at all?

sandes 5y ago
> "Docs" is broken Yes, I'm building it, you can see some examples at https://codigo.so/editor.en/ https://codigo.so/editor.en/ [Ctrl + Enter] list all built in functions > by other solutions (codepen, stackblitz, replit, etc) No, codigo.so is a pseudocode interpreter specially designed for people who don't speak English.