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I commented elsewhere on 'unarmed' and how it relates to Huber's skateboard. With regards to your point about Rosenbaum, I don't disagree. But the fact remains

I commented elsewhere on 'unarmed' and how it relates to Huber's skateboard. With regards to your point about Rosenbaum, I don't disagree. But the fact remains that the only weapon in that interaction was Rittenhouse's (unless you count a bag of underpants).

willcipriano 5y ago
> But the fact remains that the only weapon in that interaction was Rittenhouse's (unless you count a bag of underpants). What about the 3rd assailant who admitted on the stand to pulling a gun and aiming it prior to being shot, or the man in the mob (that mob was shouting "get him" may I add) who unloaded a magazine into the air during the incident?
- d1sxeyes 5y ago
  Yes, both the men Rittenhouse killed were unarmed. The third guy, Grosskreutz, did indeed have a handgun, which he drew and pointed at a man who had already killed two people. Again, I'm not saying that Rittenhouse did not have a justification to fear for his life and limb in those specific circumstances. But they were circumstances which were created largely by his own decisions (travelling to Kenosha, carrying a weapon, shooting Rosenbaum).
  - willcipriano 5y ago
    Didn't Grosskreutz travel a further distance to riot then Rittenhouse traveled to prevent the rioting? Or was that one of the other ones?
    - d1sxeyes 5y ago
      Grosskreutz shouldn't have had a gun either (his concealed carry permit had expired), but at the end of the day he didn't kill anyone, which sort of sets him apart. I'm not trying to say that the people Rittenhouse shot at were angels. But none of them killed anyone.
      - willcipriano 5y ago
        > But none of them killed anyone. They attempted to kill Kyle, but he defended himself. The reason Kyle wasn't murdered is not due to their sense of morals but instead their incompetence as combatants. It seems the rioters had more experience assaulting women and children and were ill equiped to assault a young man.
        d1sxeyes 5y ago
        > They attempted to kill Kyle, but he defended himself. Again, not trying to paint these guys as angels, but it does not seem that this is correct: - the 'mob' chasing Rittenhouse that led eventually to him opening fire on Rosenbaum were shouting 'get him', and may even have shouted 'kill him'. We know that at least one of these people had a gun, but this gun was fired up into the air, rather than at Rittenhouse, and Rosenbaum threw a bag of clothes at Rittenhouse. Yes, Rosenbaum was approaching Rittenhouse, and Rittenhouse was probably scared, but it doesn't look like Rosenbaum was about to kill him. - Huber's half-hearted hit with the skateboard hardly seems like the kind of force he could have mustered if his intent were to smash Rittenhouse's head in (it also seems from the video as though Huber was already moving away from Rittenhouse by the time Rittenhouse shot him) - Grosskreutz approached Rittenhouse with his pistol drawn and pointed at Rittenhouse, but did not fire at him, instead opting to try to disarm him. If he'd been trying to kill him, he'd have had the chance to do so.
        willcipriano 5y ago
        I think if readers compare our arguments they will be able to come to their own conclusions. I feel I have sufficiently made my case and don't believe I can offer you anything that would change your mind.
        d1sxeyes 5y ago
        To be honest, I'm not sure there are many people left (certainly here on HN) who haven't already looked at the evidence themselves and come to one conclusion or another. Thanks for the discussion though, always interesting to hear someone else's point of view, even more so when neither of us has any different facts to the other.

willcipriano 5y ago

> But the fact remains that the only weapon in that interaction was Rittenhouse's (unless you count a bag of underpants). What about the 3rd assailant who admitted on the stand to pulling a gun and aiming it prior to being shot, or the man in the mob (that mob was shouting "get him" may I add) who unloaded a magazine into the air during the incident?

d1sxeyes 5y ago
Yes, both the men Rittenhouse killed were unarmed. The third guy, Grosskreutz, did indeed have a handgun, which he drew and pointed at a man who had already killed two people. Again, I'm not saying that Rittenhouse did not have a justification to fear for his life and limb in those specific circumstances. But they were circumstances which were created largely by his own decisions (travelling to Kenosha, carrying a weapon, shooting Rosenbaum).
- willcipriano 5y ago
  Didn't Grosskreutz travel a further distance to riot then Rittenhouse traveled to prevent the rioting? Or was that one of the other ones?
  - d1sxeyes 5y ago
    Grosskreutz shouldn't have had a gun either (his concealed carry permit had expired), but at the end of the day he didn't kill anyone, which sort of sets him apart. I'm not trying to say that the people Rittenhouse shot at were angels. But none of them killed anyone.
    - willcipriano 5y ago
      > But none of them killed anyone. They attempted to kill Kyle, but he defended himself. The reason Kyle wasn't murdered is not due to their sense of morals but instead their incompetence as combatants. It seems the rioters had more experience assaulting women and children and were ill equiped to assault a young man.
      - d1sxeyes 5y ago
        > They attempted to kill Kyle, but he defended himself. Again, not trying to paint these guys as angels, but it does not seem that this is correct: - the 'mob' chasing Rittenhouse that led eventually to him opening fire on Rosenbaum were shouting 'get him', and may even have shouted 'kill him'. We know that at least one of these people had a gun, but this gun was fired up into the air, rather than at Rittenhouse, and Rosenbaum threw a bag of clothes at Rittenhouse. Yes, Rosenbaum was approaching Rittenhouse, and Rittenhouse was probably scared, but it doesn't look like Rosenbaum was about to kill him. - Huber's half-hearted hit with the skateboard hardly seems like the kind of force he could have mustered if his intent were to smash Rittenhouse's head in (it also seems from the video as though Huber was already moving away from Rittenhouse by the time Rittenhouse shot him) - Grosskreutz approached Rittenhouse with his pistol drawn and pointed at Rittenhouse, but did not fire at him, instead opting to try to disarm him. If he'd been trying to kill him, he'd have had the chance to do so.
        willcipriano 5y ago
        I think if readers compare our arguments they will be able to come to their own conclusions. I feel I have sufficiently made my case and don't believe I can offer you anything that would change your mind.
        d1sxeyes 5y ago
        To be honest, I'm not sure there are many people left (certainly here on HN) who haven't already looked at the evidence themselves and come to one conclusion or another. Thanks for the discussion though, always interesting to hear someone else's point of view, even more so when neither of us has any different facts to the other.