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I'm struggling to understand how that quote could be anything but satire

by MMS21 5y ago

maltalex 5y ago
Google's has been bashed so consistently on privacy issues on mainstream media that non-techies often associate them with creepy data collection. Microsoft hasn't been in the news as much, at least not regarding privacy matters. They're often seen by the public as the solid company behind trusted products like Office and Windows.
- fsflover 5y ago
  > Microsoft hasn't been in the news as much, at least not regarding privacy matters. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=12305598 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=12305598 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9976298 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9976298 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10053352 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10053352 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10144733 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10144733 ...and many more.
  - maltalex 5y ago
    You're proving my point. The sources you linked are the eff, a techie's personal blog, arstechnica, and forbes. With the exception of forbes they're all tech niches. Now look at mainstream media. CNN alone has 230K results for google privacy [0]. How many results for microsoft privacy? 16k [1] [0]: https://www.google.com/search?q=site%3Acnn.com%20google%20privacy https://www.google.com/search?q=site%3Acnn.com%20google%20pr... [1]: https://www.google.com/search?q=site%3Acnn.com+microsoft+privacy https://www.google.com/search?q=site%3Acnn.com+microsoft+pri...
    - 0x0nyandesu 5y ago
      You're being intentionally obtuse. Google is a search engine product and a company. Microsoft is just a company. It stands to reason more people would search for the former.
      - Spivak 5y ago
        The same search for bing has 5000 results.
        0x0nyandesu 5y ago
        Lol who searches for bing info on Google? Seriously?
        Spivak 5y ago
        Good lord. This is a search of the articles on the website cnn.com using Google search. It’s not Google Trends.
    - hericium 5y ago
      I chuckled a bit upon seeing those links but quickly realized that DDG gets its results from Bing and Altavista isn't around anymore. However clean, possibly less bubbled browser, gets number over twice larger on the second link.
- johncena33 5y ago
  HN is on the fore-front of this Google bashing. Just look at this comment on another HN thread about "buy now, pay later". Here's the comment [1] which justifies MS actions: > Maintaining browsers has become a significant undertaking, so complex that only well-funded corporate interests can afford to keep one patched and up-to-date with the latest web standards. It surpassed operating system complexity. It surpassed pretty much everything else too. So we can forget about it ever being truly "free" (and free from ads) unless we simplify the web somehow. I also don't think we're going to go back in time and start cutting features out of browsers. So that isn't going to happen Google develops Chromium and Google gets constantly bashed for selling ads. MS modifies Chromium and adds their own branding and sell ads. MS is just trying to cover their development cost. [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29354937 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29354937
  - 14 5y ago
    These are multi billion dollar companies that siphon money from all sorts of avenues powered by people’s ability to use the web. It is in their interest to develop these browsers. But they don’t have to syphon even more money from people by doing so. I don’t agree with your assessment.
- 1_player 5y ago
  > Google's has been bashed so consistently on privacy issues on mainstream media that non-techies often associate them with creepy data collection What? Every non-tech person I see is happily running Google Chrome and has never even considered Firefox. Hell, I think most still think Google is one of the "good guys". Non-tech people still trust Google much more than Microsoft. Microsoft is bad, but they haven't made your data their core business just yet.
  - tester756 5y ago
    >Non-tech people still trust Google much more than Microsoft. Microsoft is bad, but they haven't made your data their core business just yet. That's pretty interesting claim, what makes you think so?
    - 1_player 5y ago
      There is nothing interesting or crazy about my statement. Microsoft sells software and services and has done so for the past 35 years. They started getting interested in people data recently but it is not their CORE business. How is this controversial?
      - tester756 5y ago
        I never heard non-tech people talking about whether they trust MS or Google more, like seriously :D
grammarnazzzi 5y ago
It alludes to the hypocrisy in the claim: > "with the added trust of Microsoft" Hijacking a competitor's page demonstrates that Microsoft lacks integrity and cannot be trusted

I'm struggling to understand how that quote could be anything but satire

by MMS21 5y ago

I'm struggling to understand how that quote could be anything but satire

Google's has been bashed so consistently on privacy issues on mainstream media that non-techies often associate them with creepy data collection. Microsoft hasn't been in the news as much, at least not regarding privacy matters. They're often seen by the public as the solid company behind trusted products like Office and Windows.

fsflover 5y ago
> Microsoft hasn't been in the news as much, at least not regarding privacy matters. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=12305598 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=12305598 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9976298 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9976298 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10053352 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10053352 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10144733 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10144733 ...and many more.
- maltalex 5y ago
  You're proving my point. The sources you linked are the eff, a techie's personal blog, arstechnica, and forbes. With the exception of forbes they're all tech niches. Now look at mainstream media. CNN alone has 230K results for google privacy [0]. How many results for microsoft privacy? 16k [1] [0]: https://www.google.com/search?q=site%3Acnn.com%20google%20privacy https://www.google.com/search?q=site%3Acnn.com%20google%20pr... [1]: https://www.google.com/search?q=site%3Acnn.com+microsoft+privacy https://www.google.com/search?q=site%3Acnn.com+microsoft+pri...
  - 0x0nyandesu 5y ago
    You're being intentionally obtuse. Google is a search engine product and a company. Microsoft is just a company. It stands to reason more people would search for the former.
    - Spivak 5y ago
      The same search for bing has 5000 results.
      - 0x0nyandesu 5y ago
        Lol who searches for bing info on Google? Seriously?
        Spivak 5y ago
        Good lord. This is a search of the articles on the website cnn.com using Google search. It’s not Google Trends.
  - hericium 5y ago
    I chuckled a bit upon seeing those links but quickly realized that DDG gets its results from Bing and Altavista isn't around anymore. However clean, possibly less bubbled browser, gets number over twice larger on the second link.
johncena33 5y ago
HN is on the fore-front of this Google bashing. Just look at this comment on another HN thread about "buy now, pay later". Here's the comment [1] which justifies MS actions: > Maintaining browsers has become a significant undertaking, so complex that only well-funded corporate interests can afford to keep one patched and up-to-date with the latest web standards. It surpassed operating system complexity. It surpassed pretty much everything else too. So we can forget about it ever being truly "free" (and free from ads) unless we simplify the web somehow. I also don't think we're going to go back in time and start cutting features out of browsers. So that isn't going to happen Google develops Chromium and Google gets constantly bashed for selling ads. MS modifies Chromium and adds their own branding and sell ads. MS is just trying to cover their development cost. [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29354937 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29354937
- 14 5y ago
  These are multi billion dollar companies that siphon money from all sorts of avenues powered by people’s ability to use the web. It is in their interest to develop these browsers. But they don’t have to syphon even more money from people by doing so. I don’t agree with your assessment.
1_player 5y ago
> Google's has been bashed so consistently on privacy issues on mainstream media that non-techies often associate them with creepy data collection What? Every non-tech person I see is happily running Google Chrome and has never even considered Firefox. Hell, I think most still think Google is one of the "good guys". Non-tech people still trust Google much more than Microsoft. Microsoft is bad, but they haven't made your data their core business just yet.
- tester756 5y ago
  >Non-tech people still trust Google much more than Microsoft. Microsoft is bad, but they haven't made your data their core business just yet. That's pretty interesting claim, what makes you think so?
  - 1_player 5y ago
    There is nothing interesting or crazy about my statement. Microsoft sells software and services and has done so for the past 35 years. They started getting interested in people data recently but it is not their CORE business. How is this controversial?
    - tester756 5y ago
      I never heard non-tech people talking about whether they trust MS or Google more, like seriously :D

grammarnazzzi 5y ago

It alludes to the hypocrisy in the claim: > "with the added trust of Microsoft" Hijacking a competitor's page demonstrates that Microsoft lacks integrity and cannot be trusted