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Seems like Americans live in some sort of other parallel reality Internet where Hetzner et al., don't exist.

jokethrowaway 5y ago
This so much. Seeing cloud spend in companies always make me laugh. I could do all that for a fraction of the cost with dedicated servers outside of EC2. I don't know where this guy worked but I've seen at least 10 cloud migrations in my career, across different clients. It's not that uncommon and not too expensive unless you're relying on weird services on top of your cloud.
- CSDude 5y ago
  Cloud =/= Just EC2, VMs. Why stop with the dedicated services? We can do much cheaper in colocation, or even building a datacenter /s
  - otabdeveloper4 5y ago
    Yes? Not sure why the '/s'. Options exist, and not just "AWS or GCP".
    - jokethrowaway 5y ago
      Sure aws, gcp and azure are interchangeably expensive
  - jokethrowaway 5y ago
    You're kidding but I've seen migrations from data centers to aws (despite committing to much larger expenses) and from aws to data centers (mainly to save money). In practical terms, the hassle of managing the hardware is far greater than having to manage software, especially now that everyone is on the container boat. Not that it was necessarily different for people on bsd + jails in the past, but that wasn't widespread. I think dedicated server are a sweet spot of complexity / cost.
donavanm 5y ago
You may not be looking at the same market. Some comparisons: AWS $16,000M revenue Q3 Azure $9,000M est revenue Q3 GCP $4,500M revenue Q3 OVH $181M revenue Q3 (~46M "cloud") Cloudflare $172M Q3 Hetzner $277M est revenue (2019 year) A lot of customers find smaller providers very valuable. But the reason you see so many mentions of AWS/Azure/GCP is simply a reflection that yes, the bulk of hosted services in the world are based on those three. Yes the HN crowd might like the approach or thought of the smaller service providers, but they are much much smaller.
- otabdeveloper4 5y ago
  Money is nice, but if you counted where the Internet's websites are hosted you'll probably see a different picture. AWS solves mostly an accounting, not a tech problem.
diftraku 5y ago
Incidentally, Hetzner has recently expanded their cloud offering with a zone in the US: https://www.hetzner.com/news/11-21-usa-cloud/ https://www.hetzner.com/news/11-21-usa-cloud/

This so much. Seeing cloud spend in companies always make me laugh. I could do all that for a fraction of the cost with dedicated servers outside of EC2. I don't know where this guy worked but I've seen at least 10 cloud migrations in my career, across different clients. It's not that uncommon and not too expensive unless you're relying on weird services on top of your cloud.

CSDude 5y ago
Cloud =/= Just EC2, VMs. Why stop with the dedicated services? We can do much cheaper in colocation, or even building a datacenter /s
- otabdeveloper4 5y ago
  Yes? Not sure why the '/s'. Options exist, and not just "AWS or GCP".
  - jokethrowaway 5y ago
    Sure aws, gcp and azure are interchangeably expensive
- jokethrowaway 5y ago
  You're kidding but I've seen migrations from data centers to aws (despite committing to much larger expenses) and from aws to data centers (mainly to save money). In practical terms, the hassle of managing the hardware is far greater than having to manage software, especially now that everyone is on the container boat. Not that it was necessarily different for people on bsd + jails in the past, but that wasn't widespread. I think dedicated server are a sweet spot of complexity / cost.

donavanm 5y ago

You may not be looking at the same market. Some comparisons: AWS $16,000M revenue Q3 Azure $9,000M est revenue Q3 GCP $4,500M revenue Q3 OVH $181M revenue Q3 (~46M "cloud") Cloudflare $172M Q3 Hetzner $277M est revenue (2019 year) A lot of customers find smaller providers very valuable. But the reason you see so many mentions of AWS/Azure/GCP is simply a reflection that yes, the bulk of hosted services in the world are based on those three. Yes the HN crowd might like the approach or thought of the smaller service providers, but they are much much smaller.

otabdeveloper4 5y ago
Money is nice, but if you counted where the Internet's websites are hosted you'll probably see a different picture. AWS solves mostly an accounting, not a tech problem.

diftraku 5y ago

Incidentally, Hetzner has recently expanded their cloud offering with a zone in the US: https://www.hetzner.com/news/11-21-usa-cloud/ https://www.hetzner.com/news/11-21-usa-cloud/