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DDG removes quite a few "dangerous" pages too. You need to use Yandex these days to get stuff the "ministry of truth" deems to sensitive. I'm sure the irony is

DDG removes quite a few "dangerous" pages too. You need to use Yandex these days to get stuff the "ministry of truth" deems to sensitive. I'm sure the irony is lost on the Freedom-Democracy-landers.

scoopertrooper 5y ago
DDG pretty much just whitelabels Bing.
terafo 5y ago
You can't find many things that Russian government deems inappropriate in Yandex. Yandex, Google and Bing(DDG is basically Bing proxy) just have different sets of biases.
- malka 5y ago
  It is time to go back to meta search engines I guess
  - millzlane 5y ago
    What about startpage?
    - starsep 5y ago
      Startpage is a Google proxy. The Pirate Bay is filtered out there as well.
    - Dah00n 5y ago
      Owned by an Ad company these days. But yes they do promise "We'll never do evil". They belong in the grey area. But at least they haven't been caught with their hands in the cookie-jar multiple times like Brave so they got that going for them. I'd stay clear.
  - zozbot234 5y ago
    I don't think meta has a search engine yet, though.
    - Griffinsauce 5y ago
      slow clap
      - reducesuffering 5y ago
        I don't see how this is something to be applauded. The company is successfully worming it's way into common vernacular. Meta, Apple, Block, etc. Pretty soon you won't be able to speak a sentence without invoking 6 different brands' free advertising.
        istjohn 5y ago
        They are applauding the pun, not the company the pun refers to.
  - texasbigdata 5y ago
    Nah, Yahoo style pages with links
  - handrous 5y ago
    My monitor's pretty hi-res and big. How about a 3-column search that's Google, DDG (so, Bing), and Yandex, with a single search field for all three? Bonus points for syncing it up so if I click, say, the "Images" tab on one of them, it switches the others over, too.
    - post_from_work 5y ago
      Kinda like how Allsides functions for news/political bias. https://www.allsides.com/unbiased-balanced-news https://www.allsides.com/unbiased-balanced-news
- oytis 5y ago
  Would be great to have a search frontend that aggregates results from both then.
  - michaelbrooks 5y ago
    Brave have their own search engine that uses an independent built-from-scratch index. [0] [0] https://search.brave.com/ https://search.brave.com/
- janeroe 5y ago
  > You can't find many things that Russian government deems inappropriate in Yandex What are those things that Yandex can't find? It seems to me it shows pretty relevant results for "putin's golden toilet" [1], "putin's blasting houses" with US State Department / Soros funded web-site as one of the top results [2]. A query with "navalny's statement" shows both his twitter and his web-site on the first page. When comparing to google, "gab" in yandex shows the web-site's link as the first result. Google doesn't show it at all, there is only CNN, wikipedia, some woke dictionaries all telling you gab is not something you should search. So, who's got totalitarian system with censorship after all? [1]: https://yandex.com/search/?text=%D0%B7%D0%BE%D0%BB%D0%BE%D1%82%D0%BE%D0%B9+%D1%83%D0%BD%D0%B8%D1%82%D0%B0%D0%B7+%D0%BF%D1%83%D1%82%D0%B8%D0%BD%D0%B0&lr=10309 https://yandex.com/search/?text=%D0%B7%D0%BE%D0%BB%D0%BE%D1%... [2]: https://yandex.ru/search/?text=%D0%BF%D1%83%D1%82%D0%B8%D0%BD+%D0%B2%D0%B7%D1%80%D1%8B%D0%B2%D0%B0%D0%B5%D1%82+%D0%B4%D0%BE%D0%BC%D0%B0&lr=10309 https://yandex.ru/search/?text=%D0%BF%D1%83%D1%82%D0%B8%D0%B... [3]: https://yandex.ru/search/?text=%D0%B7%D0%B0%D1%8F%D0%B2%D0%BB%D0%B5%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%B5+%D0%BD%D0%B0%D0%B2%D0%B0%D0%BB%D1%8C%D0%BD%D0%BE%D0%B3%D0%BE&lr=10309 https://yandex.ru/search/?text=%D0%B7%D0%B0%D1%8F%D0%B2%D0%B...
  - terafo 5y ago
    They are mandated to remove everything that Roskomnadzor blocks from search results. That happened to Smart Voting in September, for example. And it's extremely easy for them to block any website they want.
    - janeroe 5y ago
      Thanks God neither Google nor Apple complied because "it's extremely [difficult] for them to" do so. Oh, wait, they did comply, too. Different jurisdiction, no HQs in Russia and yet both succumbed to the authoritarian regime. Not a good argument in the context of comparing the two search engines.
  - sufficer 5y ago
    I googled gab and it was the first result. Did your machine get pwned?
- generalizations 5y ago
  At least it's a different set of biases from the usual ones in the us. It's more obvious what's missing.
subliminalpanda 5y ago
I noticed that with DDG recently. Tried searching for fmovies (pirate streaming stie), DDG yields nothing now when it previously had the results I wanted. Same results searching for iteroni. I compared it with brave search and the latter remains unfiltered for the time being.
- aembleton 5y ago
  Are you expecting to see https://fmovies.kim https://fmovies.kim ? That's what I get at the top of my results: https://imgur.com/yW893ld https://imgur.com/yW893ld
  - subliminalpanda 5y ago
    Interesting. The past few days when I searched I got none of the hits, but yes along those lines. Today I see this: DDG: https://imgur.com/a/CfDXfoq https://imgur.com/a/CfDXfoq Brave Search (for comparison): https://imgur.com/a/vvEfaMF https://imgur.com/a/vvEfaMF
luciusdomitius 5y ago
Honestly DuckDuckGo doesn't censor anything. It just uses the bing index with a few custom results. I have been unable to find an example for which DDG and bing would produce different results though. And the fact that the our societies have been rushing towards totalitarianism doesn't make Putin Mr. Nice Guy all of a sudden. It is not that simple.
metabagel 5y ago
I would personally not use any information source which could potentially be under the control of either the Russian or Chinese government. Both governments are tightly controlled by strongmen who spread disinformation and propaganda (information warfare).
- Sunspark 5y ago
  If Trump runs and is re-elected, the American companies like Google will be under the control of his government. He has a lot of anger about being deplatformed, and they will be brought to obey his bidding as a priority and fairly quickly, since this time around it's personal instead of being some boring piece of paperwork. In that scenario, ironically, the Russians might end up being more free.

DDG removes quite a few "dangerous" pages too. You need to use Yandex these days to get stuff the "ministry of truth" deems to sensitive. I'm sure the irony is lost on the Freedom-Democracy-landers.

scoopertrooper 5y ago

DDG pretty much just whitelabels Bing.

terafo 5y ago

You can't find many things that Russian government deems inappropriate in Yandex. Yandex, Google and Bing(DDG is basically Bing proxy) just have different sets of biases.

malka 5y ago
It is time to go back to meta search engines I guess
- millzlane 5y ago
  What about startpage?
  - starsep 5y ago
    Startpage is a Google proxy. The Pirate Bay is filtered out there as well.
  - Dah00n 5y ago
    Owned by an Ad company these days. But yes they do promise "We'll never do evil". They belong in the grey area. But at least they haven't been caught with their hands in the cookie-jar multiple times like Brave so they got that going for them. I'd stay clear.
- zozbot234 5y ago
  I don't think meta has a search engine yet, though.
  - Griffinsauce 5y ago
    slow clap
    - reducesuffering 5y ago
      I don't see how this is something to be applauded. The company is successfully worming it's way into common vernacular. Meta, Apple, Block, etc. Pretty soon you won't be able to speak a sentence without invoking 6 different brands' free advertising.
      - istjohn 5y ago
        They are applauding the pun, not the company the pun refers to.
- texasbigdata 5y ago
  Nah, Yahoo style pages with links
- handrous 5y ago
  My monitor's pretty hi-res and big. How about a 3-column search that's Google, DDG (so, Bing), and Yandex, with a single search field for all three? Bonus points for syncing it up so if I click, say, the "Images" tab on one of them, it switches the others over, too.
  - post_from_work 5y ago
    Kinda like how Allsides functions for news/political bias. https://www.allsides.com/unbiased-balanced-news https://www.allsides.com/unbiased-balanced-news
oytis 5y ago
Would be great to have a search frontend that aggregates results from both then.
- michaelbrooks 5y ago
  Brave have their own search engine that uses an independent built-from-scratch index. [0] [0] https://search.brave.com/ https://search.brave.com/
janeroe 5y ago
> You can't find many things that Russian government deems inappropriate in Yandex What are those things that Yandex can't find? It seems to me it shows pretty relevant results for "putin's golden toilet" [1], "putin's blasting houses" with US State Department / Soros funded web-site as one of the top results [2]. A query with "navalny's statement" shows both his twitter and his web-site on the first page. When comparing to google, "gab" in yandex shows the web-site's link as the first result. Google doesn't show it at all, there is only CNN, wikipedia, some woke dictionaries all telling you gab is not something you should search. So, who's got totalitarian system with censorship after all? [1]: https://yandex.com/search/?text=%D0%B7%D0%BE%D0%BB%D0%BE%D1%82%D0%BE%D0%B9+%D1%83%D0%BD%D0%B8%D1%82%D0%B0%D0%B7+%D0%BF%D1%83%D1%82%D0%B8%D0%BD%D0%B0&lr=10309 https://yandex.com/search/?text=%D0%B7%D0%BE%D0%BB%D0%BE%D1%... [2]: https://yandex.ru/search/?text=%D0%BF%D1%83%D1%82%D0%B8%D0%BD+%D0%B2%D0%B7%D1%80%D1%8B%D0%B2%D0%B0%D0%B5%D1%82+%D0%B4%D0%BE%D0%BC%D0%B0&lr=10309 https://yandex.ru/search/?text=%D0%BF%D1%83%D1%82%D0%B8%D0%B... [3]: https://yandex.ru/search/?text=%D0%B7%D0%B0%D1%8F%D0%B2%D0%BB%D0%B5%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%B5+%D0%BD%D0%B0%D0%B2%D0%B0%D0%BB%D1%8C%D0%BD%D0%BE%D0%B3%D0%BE&lr=10309 https://yandex.ru/search/?text=%D0%B7%D0%B0%D1%8F%D0%B2%D0%B...
- terafo 5y ago
  They are mandated to remove everything that Roskomnadzor blocks from search results. That happened to Smart Voting in September, for example. And it's extremely easy for them to block any website they want.
  - janeroe 5y ago
    Thanks God neither Google nor Apple complied because "it's extremely [difficult] for them to" do so. Oh, wait, they did comply, too. Different jurisdiction, no HQs in Russia and yet both succumbed to the authoritarian regime. Not a good argument in the context of comparing the two search engines.
- sufficer 5y ago
  I googled gab and it was the first result. Did your machine get pwned?
generalizations 5y ago
At least it's a different set of biases from the usual ones in the us. It's more obvious what's missing.

subliminalpanda 5y ago

I noticed that with DDG recently. Tried searching for fmovies (pirate streaming stie), DDG yields nothing now when it previously had the results I wanted. Same results searching for iteroni. I compared it with brave search and the latter remains unfiltered for the time being.

aembleton 5y ago
Are you expecting to see https://fmovies.kim https://fmovies.kim ? That's what I get at the top of my results: https://imgur.com/yW893ld https://imgur.com/yW893ld
- subliminalpanda 5y ago
  Interesting. The past few days when I searched I got none of the hits, but yes along those lines. Today I see this: DDG: https://imgur.com/a/CfDXfoq https://imgur.com/a/CfDXfoq Brave Search (for comparison): https://imgur.com/a/vvEfaMF https://imgur.com/a/vvEfaMF

luciusdomitius 5y ago

Honestly DuckDuckGo doesn't censor anything. It just uses the bing index with a few custom results. I have been unable to find an example for which DDG and bing would produce different results though. And the fact that the our societies have been rushing towards totalitarianism doesn't make Putin Mr. Nice Guy all of a sudden. It is not that simple.

metabagel 5y ago

I would personally not use any information source which could potentially be under the control of either the Russian or Chinese government. Both governments are tightly controlled by strongmen who spread disinformation and propaganda (information warfare).

Sunspark 5y ago
If Trump runs and is re-elected, the American companies like Google will be under the control of his government. He has a lot of anger about being deplatformed, and they will be brought to obey his bidding as a priority and fairly quickly, since this time around it's personal instead of being some boring piece of paperwork. In that scenario, ironically, the Russians might end up being more free.