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>Threatening unarmed people with a gun a) he never threatened anyone. In fact, he demonstrated better gun safety than, say, a Hollywood actor/producer 3 times

>Threatening unarmed people with a gun a) he never threatened anyone. In fact, he demonstrated better gun safety than, say, a Hollywood actor/producer 3 times his age. b) how can you claim the crowd was unarmed? Of the 3 people that stuck around to be searched, 2 of them had weapons. A skateboard used as a bludgeon. And a Glock pistol that was drawn from concealment and pointed at his head.

trhway 5y ago
>In fact, he demonstrated better gun safety Ah! so that is what responsible gun owner's gun safety looks like - 2 dead 1 wounded just because that stupid POS wanted to get off playing with a gun feeling all powerful. He didn't even bother to check on his victims and render first help (his skills he was so boasting about to journalists just 15 minutes before he killed his first victim), nor attempted to call for help for them. Kill-and-run. That is gun safety? Nope. That is total disregard for and reckless endangerment of the people lives which resulted in those cold blooded murders. >Hollywood actor/producer 3 times his age the person who was responsible for those guns on the set and handed the guns to the actor declaring them "Cool" (ie. not having real bullets) is 24 years old former model to whom it was only second time she worked as an armorer. From what i read it looks to me that she has about the same as Rittenhouse lack of understanding what guns aren't toys. >b) how can you claim the crowd was unarmed? i just watch those Kenosha videos and see that only those militia gun fetishists are having guns (and at one point police tells them something like "Tell your men to stop pointing guns at the people")
- School-Cotton 5y ago
  > i just watch those Kenosha videos and see that only those militia gun fetishists are having guns No, this isn’t a matter for debate — it’s an established fact of the case, agreed to by all parties, that Gaige Grosskreutz was carrying a pistol. He also admitted under oath that Rittenhouse only shot him after he pointed the pistol at him.
  - trhway 5y ago
    it was visibly unarmed crowd that the armed militia was threatening. Few people carrying concealed guns happens everywhere and doesn't change the unarmed nature of the crowd.
- polartx 5y ago
  >Ah! so that is what responsible gun owner's gun safety looks like - 2 dead 1 wounded I know you’re being sarcastic, but *yes*, that is responsible gun safety in a scenario where deadly force is required (which is why he was acquitted). Kyle exercised an incredible measure of discipline in his restraint—not shooting wildly into a mob that was overtaking him, only firing on those who were attacking him. Show me a police bodycam video where the officer is equally restrained. Btw I agree that the so-called-armoror was inexperienced and immature. I can only imagine why a producer would so irresponsibly hire her? Wait..wasn’t the executive producer of that film also the main actor that pointed a gun at a crew member and pulled the trigger?
  - trhway 5y ago
    >Kyle exercised an incredible measure of discipline in his restraint—not shooting wildly into a mob that was overtaking him, only firing on those who were attacking him. He was an active shooter, and thus a threat to anybody around, and the people tried to defend themselves from that threat. Why those people got denied the right of self-defense and treated as attackers instead? I think it is a total miscarriage of justice that an active shooter successfully claimed self-defense. Not shooting wildly into a mob is really a pretty low, a new low i'd say, bar of responsible gun safety. You seeing laudable restraint and discipline in that is one of the best illustrations of the gun problem in the society.
    - afiori 5y ago
      Self defence is not antisymmetric, as a contrived example suppose two people are independently running away from murderers and bump into each other in the dark (maybe add some extra factor like a gunfire sound starting at the same time) then both would be covered under self defence to use (deadly) force againt what was actually an innocent victim.

trhway 5y ago

>In fact, he demonstrated better gun safety Ah! so that is what responsible gun owner's gun safety looks like - 2 dead 1 wounded just because that stupid POS wanted to get off playing with a gun feeling all powerful. He didn't even bother to check on his victims and render first help (his skills he was so boasting about to journalists just 15 minutes before he killed his first victim), nor attempted to call for help for them. Kill-and-run. That is gun safety? Nope. That is total disregard for and reckless endangerment of the people lives which resulted in those cold blooded murders. >Hollywood actor/producer 3 times his age the person who was responsible for those guns on the set and handed the guns to the actor declaring them "Cool" (ie. not having real bullets) is 24 years old former model to whom it was only second time she worked as an armorer. From what i read it looks to me that she has about the same as Rittenhouse lack of understanding what guns aren't toys. >b) how can you claim the crowd was unarmed? i just watch those Kenosha videos and see that only those militia gun fetishists are having guns (and at one point police tells them something like "Tell your men to stop pointing guns at the people")

School-Cotton 5y ago
> i just watch those Kenosha videos and see that only those militia gun fetishists are having guns No, this isn’t a matter for debate — it’s an established fact of the case, agreed to by all parties, that Gaige Grosskreutz was carrying a pistol. He also admitted under oath that Rittenhouse only shot him after he pointed the pistol at him.
- trhway 5y ago
  it was visibly unarmed crowd that the armed militia was threatening. Few people carrying concealed guns happens everywhere and doesn't change the unarmed nature of the crowd.
polartx 5y ago
>Ah! so that is what responsible gun owner's gun safety looks like - 2 dead 1 wounded I know you’re being sarcastic, but *yes*, that is responsible gun safety in a scenario where deadly force is required (which is why he was acquitted). Kyle exercised an incredible measure of discipline in his restraint—not shooting wildly into a mob that was overtaking him, only firing on those who were attacking him. Show me a police bodycam video where the officer is equally restrained. Btw I agree that the so-called-armoror was inexperienced and immature. I can only imagine why a producer would so irresponsibly hire her? Wait..wasn’t the executive producer of that film also the main actor that pointed a gun at a crew member and pulled the trigger?
- trhway 5y ago
  >Kyle exercised an incredible measure of discipline in his restraint—not shooting wildly into a mob that was overtaking him, only firing on those who were attacking him. He was an active shooter, and thus a threat to anybody around, and the people tried to defend themselves from that threat. Why those people got denied the right of self-defense and treated as attackers instead? I think it is a total miscarriage of justice that an active shooter successfully claimed self-defense. Not shooting wildly into a mob is really a pretty low, a new low i'd say, bar of responsible gun safety. You seeing laudable restraint and discipline in that is one of the best illustrations of the gun problem in the society.
  - afiori 5y ago
    Self defence is not antisymmetric, as a contrived example suppose two people are independently running away from murderers and bump into each other in the dark (maybe add some extra factor like a gunfire sound starting at the same time) then both would be covered under self defence to use (deadly) force againt what was actually an innocent victim.