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The people in need I am talking about are the middle class. The overwhelming majority of families don't have the time, money, or education necessary to do these

The people in need I am talking about are the middle class. The overwhelming majority of families don't have the time, money, or education necessary to do these things. This is especially true of those in poverty. That would be all fine and good if there was support systems that actually helped those whom needed it. FAFSA even at it's maximum amount doesn't cover that much, and it certainly won't cosign a private loan. These kinds of "merit based" scholarships are everywhere and overwhelmingly taken by those whom don't even need a college degree. The only thing different with this one is they plaster LGBTQ over it the same as Apple or Google will wave rainbows around. That doesn't actually target the community that needs it. What I'm interpreting from you here is: "these well off middle class kids deserve this more because they're well off middle class kids that can't afford the California schools.". That's elitism.

agar 5y ago
You're interpreting incorrectly. I never used the word "more" in my response. My points are: (a) "merit based" scholarships are not everywhere. The vast majority are financial need based - which is not a bad thing. (b) You mentioned "bad schools" and "elites" - nothing about the middle class. My point was to assert that just because someone can afford to live where there are decent public schools doesn't mean they can afford college. These people are not "elites." The cost of California schools was a data point; the problem is nationwide. (c) A charity which chooses to help kids who need help is still doing good, even if some of the kids are not the most disadvantaged in the country. At no point did I indicate that "middle class kids that can't afford California schools" were somehow more deserving than those with a poorer SES. I simply pointed out that they exist, and that some do need help, and they frequently fall into a gap of being neither rich enough or poor enough to get help. First you accused the charity of elitism, and now you accuse me of elitism. I find that interesting and curious.
- citizenpaul 5y ago
  Financial based scholarships are bad. They assume that the parents are giving money to the children. By definition every single person going to collage has no money as they are still children, not even legal adults. They also make very odd choices like your family must be under the poverty line ($14k) yet a family making $25k is no more able to pay for college.

agar 5y ago

You're interpreting incorrectly. I never used the word "more" in my response. My points are: (a) "merit based" scholarships are not everywhere. The vast majority are financial need based - which is not a bad thing. (b) You mentioned "bad schools" and "elites" - nothing about the middle class. My point was to assert that just because someone can afford to live where there are decent public schools doesn't mean they can afford college. These people are not "elites." The cost of California schools was a data point; the problem is nationwide. (c) A charity which chooses to help kids who need help is still doing good, even if some of the kids are not the most disadvantaged in the country. At no point did I indicate that "middle class kids that can't afford California schools" were somehow more deserving than those with a poorer SES. I simply pointed out that they exist, and that some do need help, and they frequently fall into a gap of being neither rich enough or poor enough to get help. First you accused the charity of elitism, and now you accuse me of elitism. I find that interesting and curious.

citizenpaul 5y ago
Financial based scholarships are bad. They assume that the parents are giving money to the children. By definition every single person going to collage has no money as they are still children, not even legal adults. They also make very odd choices like your family must be under the poverty line ($14k) yet a family making $25k is no more able to pay for college.