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While I'm skeptical that the only way to implement this kind of system is through a constitutional amendment but I agree with you that constitution amendments t

by Teever 5y ago

While I'm skeptical that the only way to implement this kind of system is through a constitutional amendment but I agree with you that constitution amendments to explicitly place limitations on domestic law enforcement would be a really good idea. What other policies do you think we should put in place to rein in corrupt law enforcement in America?

dragonwriter 5y ago
> What other policies do you think we should put in place to rein in corrupt law enforcement in America While reforming QI so its not functionally absolute immunity is probably beneficial, corruption in law enforcement in the US is not principally a policy problem, it's principally a problem of people not believing it's enough of a problem not to consistently defer to law enforcement recommendations at the ballot box, particularly when it comes to electing the people who will implement the existing (and any potential future) policies intended to hold police accountable.
- Teever 5y ago
  It sounds like you don't really feel that the issues that others have with law enforcement in America are a problem.
  - dragonwriter 5y ago
    > It sounds like you don't really feel that the issues that others have with law enforcement in America are a problem. I’m not sure which issues you are referring to; if they are the ones that get heavy media coverage of widespread complaints, I think they are largely real problems, some quite severe, and that they barely scratch the surface of real, systemic problems in American policing. My issue is with people pushing “solutions” that ignore the nature of those problems and the political context creating/supporting the problems, not with the idea that they are problems.
  - dllthomas 5y ago
    It is perfectly possible - and should be more common! - to believe that something is a crucially important problem and still believe that a proposed solution is a bad idea. Especially - but not only - when the proposed solution seems (as I think this one seems to dragonwriter) unlikely to actually solve the problem.

by Teever 5y ago

dragonwriter 5y ago

> What other policies do you think we should put in place to rein in corrupt law enforcement in America While reforming QI so its not functionally absolute immunity is probably beneficial, corruption in law enforcement in the US is not principally a policy problem, it's principally a problem of people not believing it's enough of a problem not to consistently defer to law enforcement recommendations at the ballot box, particularly when it comes to electing the people who will implement the existing (and any potential future) policies intended to hold police accountable.

Teever 5y ago
It sounds like you don't really feel that the issues that others have with law enforcement in America are a problem.
- dragonwriter 5y ago
  > It sounds like you don't really feel that the issues that others have with law enforcement in America are a problem. I’m not sure which issues you are referring to; if they are the ones that get heavy media coverage of widespread complaints, I think they are largely real problems, some quite severe, and that they barely scratch the surface of real, systemic problems in American policing. My issue is with people pushing “solutions” that ignore the nature of those problems and the political context creating/supporting the problems, not with the idea that they are problems.
- dllthomas 5y ago
  It is perfectly possible - and should be more common! - to believe that something is a crucially important problem and still believe that a proposed solution is a bad idea. Especially - but not only - when the proposed solution seems (as I think this one seems to dragonwriter) unlikely to actually solve the problem.