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I'd like to point out a less popular point that the FDWW does not lie only with employers improving but also is the decision of individuals. I remember reading

I'd like to point out a less popular point that the FDWW does not lie only with employers improving but also is the decision of individuals. I remember reading somewhere about a survey where they asked people what they would do if they had 1 extra day every week (so, 8 days). The response on average was "that would be great because I could get so much more done". Now the "so much done" may not be for primary employer, but the point is that people say they would spend more time with friends and family, if they had more time, but when offered, we don't take the opportunity. My point is, even if we did reduce our primary employment to 4 days, there are still a lot of people who will simply take this as an opportunity to work an additional part time job or side hustle. Then the bar for standard of living rises with them and we're back to where we started. Until we actually value rest, relationships etc, the maximal output mindset will endure.

narraturgy 5y ago
I doubt that the majority of people who would take on a second job or "side hustle" would be so affluent because of it that they would raise the standard of living. Given all the people I know who have worked second jobs, the "choice" to do so has come from them needing more money to make ends meet or to provide for their families, all while dreaming of being able to spend some time with the families they are providing for, as opposed to being in traffic driving from one job to another or in another meeting where they are expected to talk once for 5 minutes. The people in the world working 2 jobs don't tend to be affluent because of it. There are exceptions among the 3-letter elites, such as Jack Dorsey and his multiple CEO-ships, but those people /already/ represent a standard of living that is all but unachievable for the rest of us.

narraturgy 5y ago

I doubt that the majority of people who would take on a second job or "side hustle" would be so affluent because of it that they would raise the standard of living. Given all the people I know who have worked second jobs, the "choice" to do so has come from them needing more money to make ends meet or to provide for their families, all while dreaming of being able to spend some time with the families they are providing for, as opposed to being in traffic driving from one job to another or in another meeting where they are expected to talk once for 5 minutes. The people in the world working 2 jobs don't tend to be affluent because of it. There are exceptions among the 3-letter elites, such as Jack Dorsey and his multiple CEO-ships, but those people /already/ represent a standard of living that is all but unachievable for the rest of us.