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>I'm using a Librem 5 with PureOS as my daily driver. How usable is it? Does it have power management? I heard it still doesn't have good battery life or... an

>I'm using a Librem 5 with PureOS as my daily driver. How usable is it? Does it have power management? I heard it still doesn't have good battery life or... anything. Did the switch from N900 hurt? >I still keep my N900 around as a backup. How can you when 3G will be sunsetted? I didn't mention other projects, but speaking of them why didn't you ever get interested in Replicant? I didn't forget other projects, but it makes little sense to mention them when they aren't relevant. >It is pretty clear that you haven't actually used pmOS back then (2017-18), as none of the supported devices could even do phone calls there, and that was far from the only missing basic feature. I've tried it then and tried it now. Phone calls don't matter to me, I only used VOIP, but my point is that there was work on GNU/linux phones way before L5 or PP, which still has many missing features. With all new android phones being mainlined as well as "old" ones like the S9 way before either was released. https://github.com/exynos-linux-stable https://github.com/exynos-linux-stable Samsung DEX is much more useful and interesting to me than having partially running 2005-2015 hardware that has weak functionality. >Which DE would you even run on it for daily usage None of them then, or today either. Maemo was partially propietary, did it stop you from using it? If not, why ignore Sailfish and not count it? https://www.xda-developers.com/android-project-mainline-modules-explanation/ https://www.xda-developers.com/android-project-mainline-modu... This project is the most interesting. That all being said I do admire your dedication to using gnu/linux, but my question is what do you gain from using it? I can use the CLI tools I care about with both iOS and Android, what is the benefit to running Linux that made you ignore iOS and Android? It was awesome having mobile Unix in an iPhone in 2007 with a jailbreak with easily ported tools and apt since the first jailbreak, it was also great to have them on android. What does mobile linux do better?

seba_dos1 5y ago
> How usable is it? Does it have power management? I heard it still doesn't have good battery life or... anything. Did the switch from N900 hurt? It's perfectly usable in my eyes - well, at least as long as I don't break anything, which can happen :) Lasts on a battery around 10-15 hours, less when under heavy use. Generally long enough for my needs, and there's still a room for improvement in software, so that will likely get better with time. The switch from N900 did not hurt at all (maybe aside of losing the hardware keyboard and having to get used to a 5" phone in my pocket). > How can you when 3G will be sunsetted? I'm not aware of any plans to sunset 3G where I live. > I didn't mention other projects, but speaking of them why didn't you ever get interested in Replicant? I used to play with Replicant a bit on GTA04 and Galaxy S3, but in the end I'm not interested in Android at all (it's a cool project though and I fully support it). > With all new android phones being mainlined as well as "old" ones like the S9 way before either was released. That's far from enough to have a properly functioning GNU/Linux userspace on them (although it is much better than it used to be indeed). > but my point is that there was work on GNU/linux phones way before L5 or PP Of course there was, I spent years of my life on it. > Samsung DEX Isn't that discontinued? > Maemo was partially propietary, did it stop you from using it? If not, why ignore Sailfish and not count it? If you read carefully, I haven't mentioned Maemo at all, for exactly this reason. I only mentioned N900 which I got to port SHR to, but ended up using it with Maemo as my daily driver - which wasn't ideal, but was best that was available back then (I switched to it pretty late anyway, since I stayed on a GTA02 for a few years). I didn't want to switch to more of the same; I wanted to do an upgrade, which is why I only switched when I got a Librem 5. > That all being said I do admire your dedication to using gnu/linux, but my question is what do you gain from using it? I am the administrator of my system, just like I am on my desktop, and I find that incredibly powerful. I can easily patch and replace every part of it, even right on the phone, while Android build system is a massive PITA. I often build deb packages straight on my Librem 5. I don't have to break into anything, it's mine. In the past, I made a mistake of getting a Kindle and at some point updating it to a version that didn't have a jailbreak available yet, so I told myself to never willingly rely on jailbreaking again.
- GhettoComputers 5y ago
  >That's far from enough to have a properly functioning GNU/Linux userspace on them (although it is much better than it used to be indeed). Do you see a problem with using chroot on android? >Isn't [Samsung DEX] discontinued? https://insights.samsung.com/2021/08/20/the-beginners-guide-to-samsung-dex-8/ https://insights.samsung.com/2021/08/20/the-beginners-guide-... >I am the administrator of my system, just like I am on my desktop, and I find that incredibly powerful. I can easily patch and replace every part of it, even right on the phone, while Android build system is a massive PITA. I often build deb packages straight on my Librem 5. I don't have to break into anything, it's mine. In the past, I made a mistake of getting a Kindle and at some point updating it to a version that didn't have a jailbreak available yet, so I told myself to never willingly rely on jailbreaking again. I feel the same on iOS with jaibreak, Android with root, but with good hardware, and software support. >I can easily patch and replace every part of it, even right on the phone, while Android build system is a massive PITA. What do you want to patch or replace? On Android I use a browser with desktop extensions, have the battery set to charge to 80% for longevity, and I don't really see the benefit of gnu linux on mobile if it doesn't offer anything substantial to users, it hopes to do this with an android emulator that doesn't even work on desktop. >I made a mistake of getting a Kindle and at some point updating it to a version that didn't have a jailbreak available yet, so I told myself to never willingly rely on jailbreaking again. Serial jailbreak would have worked, but better to get open hardware like kobo to install koreader. ;)

seba_dos1 5y ago

> How usable is it? Does it have power management? I heard it still doesn't have good battery life or... anything. Did the switch from N900 hurt? It's perfectly usable in my eyes - well, at least as long as I don't break anything, which can happen :) Lasts on a battery around 10-15 hours, less when under heavy use. Generally long enough for my needs, and there's still a room for improvement in software, so that will likely get better with time. The switch from N900 did not hurt at all (maybe aside of losing the hardware keyboard and having to get used to a 5" phone in my pocket). > How can you when 3G will be sunsetted? I'm not aware of any plans to sunset 3G where I live. > I didn't mention other projects, but speaking of them why didn't you ever get interested in Replicant? I used to play with Replicant a bit on GTA04 and Galaxy S3, but in the end I'm not interested in Android at all (it's a cool project though and I fully support it). > With all new android phones being mainlined as well as "old" ones like the S9 way before either was released. That's far from enough to have a properly functioning GNU/Linux userspace on them (although it is much better than it used to be indeed). > but my point is that there was work on GNU/linux phones way before L5 or PP Of course there was, I spent years of my life on it. > Samsung DEX Isn't that discontinued? > Maemo was partially propietary, did it stop you from using it? If not, why ignore Sailfish and not count it? If you read carefully, I haven't mentioned Maemo at all, for exactly this reason. I only mentioned N900 which I got to port SHR to, but ended up using it with Maemo as my daily driver - which wasn't ideal, but was best that was available back then (I switched to it pretty late anyway, since I stayed on a GTA02 for a few years). I didn't want to switch to more of the same; I wanted to do an upgrade, which is why I only switched when I got a Librem 5. > That all being said I do admire your dedication to using gnu/linux, but my question is what do you gain from using it? I am the administrator of my system, just like I am on my desktop, and I find that incredibly powerful. I can easily patch and replace every part of it, even right on the phone, while Android build system is a massive PITA. I often build deb packages straight on my Librem 5. I don't have to break into anything, it's mine. In the past, I made a mistake of getting a Kindle and at some point updating it to a version that didn't have a jailbreak available yet, so I told myself to never willingly rely on jailbreaking again.

GhettoComputers 5y ago
>That's far from enough to have a properly functioning GNU/Linux userspace on them (although it is much better than it used to be indeed). Do you see a problem with using chroot on android? >Isn't [Samsung DEX] discontinued? https://insights.samsung.com/2021/08/20/the-beginners-guide-to-samsung-dex-8/ https://insights.samsung.com/2021/08/20/the-beginners-guide-... >I am the administrator of my system, just like I am on my desktop, and I find that incredibly powerful. I can easily patch and replace every part of it, even right on the phone, while Android build system is a massive PITA. I often build deb packages straight on my Librem 5. I don't have to break into anything, it's mine. In the past, I made a mistake of getting a Kindle and at some point updating it to a version that didn't have a jailbreak available yet, so I told myself to never willingly rely on jailbreaking again. I feel the same on iOS with jaibreak, Android with root, but with good hardware, and software support. >I can easily patch and replace every part of it, even right on the phone, while Android build system is a massive PITA. What do you want to patch or replace? On Android I use a browser with desktop extensions, have the battery set to charge to 80% for longevity, and I don't really see the benefit of gnu linux on mobile if it doesn't offer anything substantial to users, it hopes to do this with an android emulator that doesn't even work on desktop. >I made a mistake of getting a Kindle and at some point updating it to a version that didn't have a jailbreak available yet, so I told myself to never willingly rely on jailbreaking again. Serial jailbreak would have worked, but better to get open hardware like kobo to install koreader. ;)