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Like candidates never do that, interview for like 10 companies and start juggle the offers. Or interview for a company just to get signed offer so they can ask

Like candidates never do that, interview for like 10 companies and start juggle the offers. Or interview for a company just to get signed offer so they can ask for a raise. I am not saying what stripe does is good, but the whole engineer employment thing turned into a shitshow. People are jumping companies like crazy looking for the big cash, no fucks given, and of course, they dont owe anybody anything, which is ok, but for some reason think that the companies owe them everything.

beachy 5y ago
> Like candidates never do that, interview for like 10 companies and start juggle the offers. Or interview for a company just to get signed offer so they can ask for a raise. The difference is the power imbalance. Candidate screws the company around - no person is harmed. Company burns some time and money. Company screws person around - person's life can be turned upside down is they've made commitments, sold house, kids shifted schools etc. Many countries have employment legislation because of this imbalance. Tldr; individuals need protection, corporates don't.
- thryahd71781 5y ago
  what if the company is with 5 people only? at which point they are screwed?
  - beachy 5y ago
    True. In some countries (e.g. mine) some employer legislation only kicks in when the company has > 30 staff.
eCa 5y ago
An employee who accepts an offer and then disappears behaves just as bad, imho.
throwawayboise 5y ago
Yeah I don't disagree, but there is an asymetry. Employers are not walking away from their prior source of income, possibly selling their facilities and preparing to move, etc. with each job offer. And not every offer will be accepted, and yes candidates may leverage multiple offers against each other (or with their current employer) to get better terms. I agree if you accept an offer you should follow through on that. But interviewing to the point of getting an offer, and then declining? Well that's just part of the process. As a candidate, if an employer recinded an accepted offer I would never consider working for them again. And as an employer, if a candidate backed out of an accepted offer, they would never be eligible for hire again.

beachy 5y ago

> Like candidates never do that, interview for like 10 companies and start juggle the offers. Or interview for a company just to get signed offer so they can ask for a raise. The difference is the power imbalance. Candidate screws the company around - no person is harmed. Company burns some time and money. Company screws person around - person's life can be turned upside down is they've made commitments, sold house, kids shifted schools etc. Many countries have employment legislation because of this imbalance. Tldr; individuals need protection, corporates don't.

thryahd71781 5y ago
what if the company is with 5 people only? at which point they are screwed?
- beachy 5y ago
  True. In some countries (e.g. mine) some employer legislation only kicks in when the company has > 30 staff.

eCa 5y ago

An employee who accepts an offer and then disappears behaves just as bad, imho.

throwawayboise 5y ago

Yeah I don't disagree, but there is an asymetry. Employers are not walking away from their prior source of income, possibly selling their facilities and preparing to move, etc. with each job offer. And not every offer will be accepted, and yes candidates may leverage multiple offers against each other (or with their current employer) to get better terms. I agree if you accept an offer you should follow through on that. But interviewing to the point of getting an offer, and then declining? Well that's just part of the process. As a candidate, if an employer recinded an accepted offer I would never consider working for them again. And as an employer, if a candidate backed out of an accepted offer, they would never be eligible for hire again.