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Unfortunately Germany is slowly slipping to a totalitarian state it traditionally used to be. Now they are even planning compulsory vaccination for everyone.

blackbrokkoli 5y ago
Wild take. Not only completely untrue, but also very amusing in its implication that there is overlap between the people preferring a totalitarian Germany and the people who would want compulsory vaccination.
- st1ck 5y ago
  Well it seems neighboring Austria will fine unvaccinated residents[1], so it's definitely not a wild take. Second, totalitarian !== Nazi. [1] https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-11-22/vaccine-holdouts-face-4-000-fine-in-austria-s-virus-crackdown https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-11-22/vaccine-h...
- freeflight 5y ago
  I mean, the vaccination measures now pile on top of the war on terror measures that a whole generation was already born, and normalized, to anyway. So this trend into more authoritarian structures is very real in a very objective way. And if everything keeps going as it does, there's a non zero probability this situation won't be of a temporary nature, just like there is a non zero probability that vaccines will need to be boosted/reapplied even more often. Sum all of that up, and it's a quite dystopian scenario we are possibly heading into.
jasonvorhe 5y ago
The constitution works both ways: The state has to ensure personal liberty to everyone but what if a group started to restrict another group's liberties? Which group do you provide liberty for? It's a dilemma: Either those who sacrificed 2 years of their liberty so that scientists could come up with a vaccine, restoring all previous liberties after herd immunity would've been reached, all without causing the deaths millions of vulnerable people. Or those who decide against a vaccine where there is scientific consensus on effectiveness, who cause the infection to spread further and further, without having a scientific/rational reason for the decision, because it's rooted in fear.

blackbrokkoli 5y ago

Wild take. Not only completely untrue, but also very amusing in its implication that there is overlap between the people preferring a totalitarian Germany and the people who would want compulsory vaccination.

st1ck 5y ago
Well it seems neighboring Austria will fine unvaccinated residents[1], so it's definitely not a wild take. Second, totalitarian !== Nazi. [1] https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-11-22/vaccine-holdouts-face-4-000-fine-in-austria-s-virus-crackdown https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-11-22/vaccine-h...
freeflight 5y ago
I mean, the vaccination measures now pile on top of the war on terror measures that a whole generation was already born, and normalized, to anyway. So this trend into more authoritarian structures is very real in a very objective way. And if everything keeps going as it does, there's a non zero probability this situation won't be of a temporary nature, just like there is a non zero probability that vaccines will need to be boosted/reapplied even more often. Sum all of that up, and it's a quite dystopian scenario we are possibly heading into.

jasonvorhe 5y ago

The constitution works both ways: The state has to ensure personal liberty to everyone but what if a group started to restrict another group's liberties? Which group do you provide liberty for? It's a dilemma: Either those who sacrificed 2 years of their liberty so that scientists could come up with a vaccine, restoring all previous liberties after herd immunity would've been reached, all without causing the deaths millions of vulnerable people. Or those who decide against a vaccine where there is scientific consensus on effectiveness, who cause the infection to spread further and further, without having a scientific/rational reason for the decision, because it's rooted in fear.