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do you really think a sub reddit that talks down to people is going to win any hearts and minds? really?

toomuchtodo 5y ago
https://twitter.com/StarZimmerman6/status/1462173865673576449 https://twitter.com/StarZimmerman6/status/146217386567357644... (r/HermanCainAward celebrates its 99th and 100th IPA. This is the 99th and 100th person(s) who decided to be vaccinated after lurking on the Herman Cain Award subreddit. | Nov 20, 2021) Oxygen concentrator fund raise and donation for someone terminally ill who could not afford it: https://old.reddit.com/r/HermanCainAward/comments/qmw4o8/a_different_type_of_compilation_uhealthybear35/ https://old.reddit.com/r/HermanCainAward/comments/qmw4o8/a_d... So, it appears so? The style might not be...ideal, but the results speak for themselves., and I will go so far as to say lives are being saved.
- loudtieblahblah 5y ago
  how do measure all the people who have become increasingly entrenched in their anti-vaxx positions due to encountering those communities? how many simply "hesitant" just double-down in contrarianism to that sub-reddit of assholes?
  - jfengel 5y ago
    A diminishing fraction, because "hesitant" is rapidly becoming indistinguishable from "never". Whatever they were waiting for, it has either come or will never come. For a while they claimed to be waiting on non-emergency approval, and that happened months ago. More and more data comes in; it's not like they're waiting for LHC-style five-sigmas. Eventually, people say, "You're not 'hesitant', you're anti-vax, and you get treated as anti-vax". They can't hang on to a permanent "Well, I'm still thinking about saving my own life, but since you were mean to me I won't."
- peteradio 5y ago
  At best some small fraction of a life has been saved.
  - loudtieblahblah 5y ago
    there's no way to measure the number of people who have been further entrenched by YET ANOTHER PROGRESSIVE MOVEMENT where the tribal actions of those belonging are geared towards social climbing within the cloister as opposed to outreach to those who don't already agree with them. Increasingly, the modern left seems hellbent on demeaning "those people" on any number of topics, from culture war, environmentalism, COVID. They can't meet people half way in the hopes that some, in turn, will open their ears to what they have to say. Instead the entire movement - from BLM, to the pro-vax crowd, the pro-trans movement, the climate change movement, is merely to sneer down anyone who even slightly disagrees with them, including fellow leftists who might be slightly out of lock-step. This is not a political movement that can grow in any meaningful way. It means to humiliate, dominate and reign it's superiority over others. And for now - they have the power of the media, hollywood, academia, most HR departments and such on their side that helps them feel comfortable in this ... lack of a political strategy. But when their goals and the goals of corporate america don't align, just watch how this "strategy" will work out for them. YOu have to actually treat people... like people, even though you disagree, to build your movement. That's the hard work of politics. The left is insulated by a corporate system who's tricked them into thinking their goals are aligned. They're not.
    - RankingMember 5y ago
      There is a deep partisan divide at this time in our country. Are there really that many people in the middle, the undecided voter, who were going to vote for Trump but changed their mind and voted for Biden because people online were nice to them? I have a hard time imagining this. I agree that the level of discourse is at an all time low, but I disagree with a lot of what you're saying because it paints with a super broad brush and also treats base insults and sneering as though they're the sole domain of the "modern left". It is a mistake to confuse the loudmouths on Twitter (where I presume you're seeing the majority of the chest puffing and punching down) with the actual humans behind the movements you mention.

https://twitter.com/StarZimmerman6/status/1462173865673576449 https://twitter.com/StarZimmerman6/status/146217386567357644... (r/HermanCainAward celebrates its 99th and 100th IPA. This is the 99th and 100th person(s) who decided to be vaccinated after lurking on the Herman Cain Award subreddit. | Nov 20, 2021) Oxygen concentrator fund raise and donation for someone terminally ill who could not afford it: https://old.reddit.com/r/HermanCainAward/comments/qmw4o8/a_different_type_of_compilation_uhealthybear35/ https://old.reddit.com/r/HermanCainAward/comments/qmw4o8/a_d... So, it appears so? The style might not be...ideal, but the results speak for themselves., and I will go so far as to say lives are being saved.

loudtieblahblah 5y ago
how do measure all the people who have become increasingly entrenched in their anti-vaxx positions due to encountering those communities? how many simply "hesitant" just double-down in contrarianism to that sub-reddit of assholes?
- jfengel 5y ago
  A diminishing fraction, because "hesitant" is rapidly becoming indistinguishable from "never". Whatever they were waiting for, it has either come or will never come. For a while they claimed to be waiting on non-emergency approval, and that happened months ago. More and more data comes in; it's not like they're waiting for LHC-style five-sigmas. Eventually, people say, "You're not 'hesitant', you're anti-vax, and you get treated as anti-vax". They can't hang on to a permanent "Well, I'm still thinking about saving my own life, but since you were mean to me I won't."
peteradio 5y ago
At best some small fraction of a life has been saved.
- loudtieblahblah 5y ago
  there's no way to measure the number of people who have been further entrenched by YET ANOTHER PROGRESSIVE MOVEMENT where the tribal actions of those belonging are geared towards social climbing within the cloister as opposed to outreach to those who don't already agree with them. Increasingly, the modern left seems hellbent on demeaning "those people" on any number of topics, from culture war, environmentalism, COVID. They can't meet people half way in the hopes that some, in turn, will open their ears to what they have to say. Instead the entire movement - from BLM, to the pro-vax crowd, the pro-trans movement, the climate change movement, is merely to sneer down anyone who even slightly disagrees with them, including fellow leftists who might be slightly out of lock-step. This is not a political movement that can grow in any meaningful way. It means to humiliate, dominate and reign it's superiority over others. And for now - they have the power of the media, hollywood, academia, most HR departments and such on their side that helps them feel comfortable in this ... lack of a political strategy. But when their goals and the goals of corporate america don't align, just watch how this "strategy" will work out for them. YOu have to actually treat people... like people, even though you disagree, to build your movement. That's the hard work of politics. The left is insulated by a corporate system who's tricked them into thinking their goals are aligned. They're not.
  - RankingMember 5y ago
    There is a deep partisan divide at this time in our country. Are there really that many people in the middle, the undecided voter, who were going to vote for Trump but changed their mind and voted for Biden because people online were nice to them? I have a hard time imagining this. I agree that the level of discourse is at an all time low, but I disagree with a lot of what you're saying because it paints with a super broad brush and also treats base insults and sneering as though they're the sole domain of the "modern left". It is a mistake to confuse the loudmouths on Twitter (where I presume you're seeing the majority of the chest puffing and punching down) with the actual humans behind the movements you mention.