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Your freedom to control over one's body ends when it comes to the safety and health of other people's bodies. That's why herd immunity is a thing.

by kiba 5y ago

tiahura 5y ago
“herd immunity is a thing.” It is? By Easter right? With what other coronavirus have we ever reached herd immunity?
crisdux 5y ago
The case for that line of reasoning is extremely weak given that vaccines provide dramatically low protection against infection and vaccinated people also infect others at high rates.
jtbayly 5y ago
Tell me again what percent of people need to be immune before we get to herd immunity?
JavaBatman 5y ago
There is no right to not receive another's germs. If we take your argument to its logical conclusion, then the flu vaccine would be mandated. But it's not. So if you say that Covid is different, then what is your threshold or cut-off for when a medical procedure should be mandated?
- aixi 5y ago
  >There is no right to not receive another's germs Intentionally coughing on someone is a prosecutable crime in many parts of the world --- What do you think makes it a crime?
  - JavaBatman 5y ago
    You are smart enough to know that intentionally coughing on someone is not what I meant.
- kiba 5y ago
  There is no right to not receive another's germs. If we take your argument to its logical conclusion, then the flu vaccine would be mandated. But it's not. So if you say that Covid is different, then what is your threshold or cut-off for when a medical procedure should be mandated? Why not? if the cost & benefit ratio is worth it, maybe we should. The same for any other diseases you can think of. If the answer is yes, then there are no reason for any of us to refuse unless we have good excuses.
Chris2048 5y ago
> safety and health of other people's bodies Does that not include the unborn?
NoPie 5y ago
Not in the case of current covid vaccines and variants.
SuoDuanDao 5y ago
Identical arguments are made around abortion. Or mandatory organ/blood donations. Actually, nobody argues for mandatory blood donations because we can all tell that would be icky.
refurb 5y ago
So you’re against abortion since it impacts the “health and safety” of other people’s bodies?

Your freedom to control over one's body ends when it comes to the safety and health of other people's bodies. That's why herd immunity is a thing.

by kiba 5y ago

Your freedom to control over one's body ends when it comes to the safety and health of other people's bodies. That's why herd immunity is a thing.

tiahura 5y ago

“herd immunity is a thing.” It is? By Easter right? With what other coronavirus have we ever reached herd immunity?

crisdux 5y ago

The case for that line of reasoning is extremely weak given that vaccines provide dramatically low protection against infection and vaccinated people also infect others at high rates.

jtbayly 5y ago

Tell me again what percent of people need to be immune before we get to herd immunity?

JavaBatman 5y ago

There is no right to not receive another's germs. If we take your argument to its logical conclusion, then the flu vaccine would be mandated. But it's not. So if you say that Covid is different, then what is your threshold or cut-off for when a medical procedure should be mandated?

aixi 5y ago
>There is no right to not receive another's germs Intentionally coughing on someone is a prosecutable crime in many parts of the world --- What do you think makes it a crime?
- JavaBatman 5y ago
  You are smart enough to know that intentionally coughing on someone is not what I meant.
kiba 5y ago
There is no right to not receive another's germs. If we take your argument to its logical conclusion, then the flu vaccine would be mandated. But it's not. So if you say that Covid is different, then what is your threshold or cut-off for when a medical procedure should be mandated? Why not? if the cost & benefit ratio is worth it, maybe we should. The same for any other diseases you can think of. If the answer is yes, then there are no reason for any of us to refuse unless we have good excuses.

Chris2048 5y ago

> safety and health of other people's bodies Does that not include the unborn?

NoPie 5y ago

Not in the case of current covid vaccines and variants.

SuoDuanDao 5y ago

Identical arguments are made around abortion. Or mandatory organ/blood donations. Actually, nobody argues for mandatory blood donations because we can all tell that would be icky.

refurb 5y ago

So you’re against abortion since it impacts the “health and safety” of other people’s bodies?