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Except this isn’t about almost anything else. This is about control over one’s body. This is from someone who chose freely to get the vaccine. Even at my own p

Except this isn’t about almost anything else. This is about control over one’s body. This is from someone who chose freely to get the vaccine. Even at my own peril I support other’s freedom to choose.

clukic 5y ago
Does that mean you support a rollback of all vaccine requirements? For example the MMR, TDap, HepB, polio, chicken pox vaccines required for school children? Or the numerous vaccines required for military personal? And would you be comfortable having a pediatrician who wasn't inoculated for diphtheria knowing that an infection could be fatal for your baby?
- HamburgerEmoji 5y ago
  > Does that mean you support a rollback of all vaccine requirements? I can't speak for the person you're talking to, but those old vaccines are actual vaccines, unlike the recent mRNA injections, which are so different from what we typically think of as vaccines that the CDC had to change its definition of the word "vaccine" to remove the notion that a vaccine provides protection from a disease. So of course not. The old diseases were serious threats, and the old vaccines were actual vaccines. Not similar to the current situation, where the virus is a negligible threat to all people who are not elderly or suffering from serious disease already, and the injection being proffered does not prevent a person from contracting or transmitting the virus.
belltaco 5y ago
These are healthcare workers. Jobs have requirements. They're free to quit instead of increasing the dangers of disease for their sick and older patients who are at highest risk for covid. No one is controlling their body any more than making it show up at work in order to get paid. Coal miners are forced to work in dangerous conditions around the world in order to keep their job. Getting a vaccine is far less risk, there have been 8 billion plus vaccine doses given against covid around the world.
- loudtieblahblah 5y ago
  so you'd be cool with employers banning employees who get an abortion. something, something, consequences.
  - tfehring 5y ago
    If having had an abortion materially negatively impacted a healthcare worker's ability to safely provide healthcare to a sick person, then yes, that should probably be grounds for disallowing those people from working as healthcare practitioners. Thankfully that's not the case.
  - joshuamorton 5y ago
    That's actually quite likely legal already. If expect there are certain Catholic organizations who would fire you if you admitted to having had an abortion.
    - shadowgovt 5y ago
      Your intuition is correct (in that there's no over-arching precedent or Constitutionally-derived right that makes it illegal), but it's specifically banned under Title VII of the Civil Rights Act as per a 1978 law modifying the act. https://www.eeoc.gov/statutes/pregnancy-discrimination-act-1978 https://www.eeoc.gov/statutes/pregnancy-discrimination-act-1... ... Which goes to the court ruling that's the topic of the article: Congress has the power to decide these issues.
  - yissp 5y ago
    Having had an abortion doesn't affect your ability to safely do your job. Being unvaccinated does.
    - loudtieblahblah 5y ago
      does being vaccinated stop you from spreading it to your co-workers? what about all the WFH people mandated into vaccines? how does it impact that employer?
kiba 5y ago
Your freedom to control over one's body ends when it comes to the safety and health of other people's bodies. That's why herd immunity is a thing.
- tiahura 5y ago
  “herd immunity is a thing.” It is? By Easter right? With what other coronavirus have we ever reached herd immunity?
- crisdux 5y ago
  The case for that line of reasoning is extremely weak given that vaccines provide dramatically low protection against infection and vaccinated people also infect others at high rates.
- jtbayly 5y ago
  Tell me again what percent of people need to be immune before we get to herd immunity?
- JavaBatman 5y ago
  There is no right to not receive another's germs. If we take your argument to its logical conclusion, then the flu vaccine would be mandated. But it's not. So if you say that Covid is different, then what is your threshold or cut-off for when a medical procedure should be mandated?
  - aixi 5y ago
    >There is no right to not receive another's germs Intentionally coughing on someone is a prosecutable crime in many parts of the world --- What do you think makes it a crime?
    - JavaBatman 5y ago
      You are smart enough to know that intentionally coughing on someone is not what I meant.
  - 5y ago

clukic 5y ago

Does that mean you support a rollback of all vaccine requirements? For example the MMR, TDap, HepB, polio, chicken pox vaccines required for school children? Or the numerous vaccines required for military personal? And would you be comfortable having a pediatrician who wasn't inoculated for diphtheria knowing that an infection could be fatal for your baby?

HamburgerEmoji 5y ago
> Does that mean you support a rollback of all vaccine requirements? I can't speak for the person you're talking to, but those old vaccines are actual vaccines, unlike the recent mRNA injections, which are so different from what we typically think of as vaccines that the CDC had to change its definition of the word "vaccine" to remove the notion that a vaccine provides protection from a disease. So of course not. The old diseases were serious threats, and the old vaccines were actual vaccines. Not similar to the current situation, where the virus is a negligible threat to all people who are not elderly or suffering from serious disease already, and the injection being proffered does not prevent a person from contracting or transmitting the virus.

belltaco 5y ago

These are healthcare workers. Jobs have requirements. They're free to quit instead of increasing the dangers of disease for their sick and older patients who are at highest risk for covid. No one is controlling their body any more than making it show up at work in order to get paid. Coal miners are forced to work in dangerous conditions around the world in order to keep their job. Getting a vaccine is far less risk, there have been 8 billion plus vaccine doses given against covid around the world.

loudtieblahblah 5y ago
so you'd be cool with employers banning employees who get an abortion. something, something, consequences.
- tfehring 5y ago
  If having had an abortion materially negatively impacted a healthcare worker's ability to safely provide healthcare to a sick person, then yes, that should probably be grounds for disallowing those people from working as healthcare practitioners. Thankfully that's not the case.
- joshuamorton 5y ago
  That's actually quite likely legal already. If expect there are certain Catholic organizations who would fire you if you admitted to having had an abortion.
  - shadowgovt 5y ago
    Your intuition is correct (in that there's no over-arching precedent or Constitutionally-derived right that makes it illegal), but it's specifically banned under Title VII of the Civil Rights Act as per a 1978 law modifying the act. https://www.eeoc.gov/statutes/pregnancy-discrimination-act-1978 https://www.eeoc.gov/statutes/pregnancy-discrimination-act-1... ... Which goes to the court ruling that's the topic of the article: Congress has the power to decide these issues.
- yissp 5y ago
  Having had an abortion doesn't affect your ability to safely do your job. Being unvaccinated does.
  - loudtieblahblah 5y ago
    does being vaccinated stop you from spreading it to your co-workers? what about all the WFH people mandated into vaccines? how does it impact that employer?

kiba 5y ago

Your freedom to control over one's body ends when it comes to the safety and health of other people's bodies. That's why herd immunity is a thing.

tiahura 5y ago
“herd immunity is a thing.” It is? By Easter right? With what other coronavirus have we ever reached herd immunity?
crisdux 5y ago
The case for that line of reasoning is extremely weak given that vaccines provide dramatically low protection against infection and vaccinated people also infect others at high rates.
jtbayly 5y ago
Tell me again what percent of people need to be immune before we get to herd immunity?
JavaBatman 5y ago
There is no right to not receive another's germs. If we take your argument to its logical conclusion, then the flu vaccine would be mandated. But it's not. So if you say that Covid is different, then what is your threshold or cut-off for when a medical procedure should be mandated?
- aixi 5y ago
  >There is no right to not receive another's germs Intentionally coughing on someone is a prosecutable crime in many parts of the world --- What do you think makes it a crime?
  - JavaBatman 5y ago
    You are smart enough to know that intentionally coughing on someone is not what I meant.
- 5y ago