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I obviously was referring to e2ee; everything is point to point encrypted these days. e2ee is turned off by default and cannot be enabled for group chats. I st

I obviously was referring to e2ee; everything is point to point encrypted these days. e2ee is turned off by default and cannot be enabled for group chats. I stand by my assertion that Telegram's proprietary secret encryption is nearly guaranteed to be weaker than industry-standard encryption. "Home grown is always weaker" is a well known position of almost the entire crypto community. I further stand by my assertion that Telegram's encryption is nearly guaranteed to be backdoored, because there is literally zero reason for a startup to invest the massive engineering resources needed to successfully develop and maintain its own encryption algorithms, unless they were being paid to do so. The NSA has a long history of backdooring private encryption technology through industry "partnerships." Do you seriously think Putin would allow a domestic company to develop a communication tool that would allow Russians to communicate with each other in complete privacy? > prove it or shut up. Go read the HN commenting policy (specifically around civility) or shut up.

skinkestek 5y ago
> I obviously was referring to e2ee; So you admit you weren't just spreading inaccuracies you heard from someone else but you knew you were posting disinformation. > I further stand by my assertion that Telegram's encryption is nearly guaranteed to be backdoored, because there is literally zero reason for a startup to invest the massive engineering resources needed to successfully develop and maintain its own encryption algorithms, unless they were being paid to do so. This is a good argument. > Do you seriously think Putin would allow a domestic company to develop a communication tool that would allow Russians to communicate with each other in complete privacy? Telegram is not a Russian company? >> prove it or shut up. > Go read the HN commenting policy (specifically around civility) or shut up. Sorry. I was too harsh. I actually regret. Compared to willfully spreading disinformation however it seems pretty minor though? ----- A bit more: I know local police used to use Telegram. That worries me. It is actually even more complicated: If Putin reads my most personal messages I don't care. If NSA or even worse, local police actually took their time to read my messages I'd be mad or worried. However if FSB asked for help they would need a very good reason and I'd try to consult with local law enforcement first. If local police however asked for help I'd go out of my way to help them.

skinkestek 5y ago

> I obviously was referring to e2ee; So you admit you weren't just spreading inaccuracies you heard from someone else but you knew you were posting disinformation. > I further stand by my assertion that Telegram's encryption is nearly guaranteed to be backdoored, because there is literally zero reason for a startup to invest the massive engineering resources needed to successfully develop and maintain its own encryption algorithms, unless they were being paid to do so. This is a good argument. > Do you seriously think Putin would allow a domestic company to develop a communication tool that would allow Russians to communicate with each other in complete privacy? Telegram is not a Russian company? >> prove it or shut up. > Go read the HN commenting policy (specifically around civility) or shut up. Sorry. I was too harsh. I actually regret. Compared to willfully spreading disinformation however it seems pretty minor though? ----- A bit more: I know local police used to use Telegram. That worries me. It is actually even more complicated: If Putin reads my most personal messages I don't care. If NSA or even worse, local police actually took their time to read my messages I'd be mad or worried. However if FSB asked for help they would need a very good reason and I'd try to consult with local law enforcement first. If local police however asked for help I'd go out of my way to help them.