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Perhaps I can provide some important context here. I'm an Australian who's actually been through the Howard Springs quarantine facility, with my family, as a r

Perhaps I can provide some important context here. I'm an Australian who's actually been through the Howard Springs quarantine facility, with my family, as a requirement to travelling interstate there. First of all, the people who are there knew before travelling that this was part of the deal for keeping covid out of the NT. Secondly, the Aboriginal communities in that area are considered some of the most vulnerable based on existing health standards and below-par vaccination rates. Thirdly, the facilities really aren't that bad with decent wifi, private modern facilities and even a 50m swimming pool. Lastly, as a broad rationale for Australia's strict approach to all of this: US covid deaths per million: 2,365.98 AU covid deaths per million: 79.28

AndrewBissell 5y ago
Are the Aboriginal people there voluntarily, or not? Where should the line be drawn, i.e., what level of restrictive measures could not be justified by a simple appeal to differences in per capita death rates from a single cause?
peteradio 5y ago
Those are total population numbers in the denominator? We are at different points of endemnicity and generally its not too easy to compare numbers across countries due to different methods of accounting.
mk81 5y ago
Not sure why you all don't see it but this isn't playing the way you think it is.
miles 5y ago
> the people who are there knew before travelling that this was part of the deal The teens were not in quarantine camp due to any traveling on their part: > all three were from the Binjari community near Katherine and had been sent into quarantine as close contacts of positive cases.
version_five 5y ago
> US covid deaths per million: 2,365.98 > AU covid deaths per million: 79.28 But it's not like you've "weathered the storm" and are ok now. It just hasn't happened to you yet. Is there any evidence that if Australians ever come out of hiding, they won't just suffer similarly to the rest of the world? All you've done is oppress your citizens and cowered away for a couple years. I guess you're hoping that something will save you from what other places have experienced, but its just wishful thinking, it has no basis in reality. Being an island and not having a bill of rights let you isolate yourselves and restrain your countrymen in a way impossible in other western nations, but so far it's just bought you time, if living under lockdown counts as living. It hasn't actually solved anything.
- exodust 5y ago
  > It hasn't actually solved anything. I think the idea was to vaccinate as many as possible before opening up. The vaccine rate is high, so maybe that's one thing solved. Many in Australia were happy to get the jab. Others were pushed. Threats of job loss, or shamed with name-calling and segregation. And others still were coerced over time. Worn down with endless messaging and fear-mongering. This government ad for example has an actor choking to death in ICU: https://youtu.be/5v0Xc4dWYH4 https://youtu.be/5v0Xc4dWYH4

AndrewBissell 5y ago

Are the Aboriginal people there voluntarily, or not? Where should the line be drawn, i.e., what level of restrictive measures could not be justified by a simple appeal to differences in per capita death rates from a single cause?

peteradio 5y ago

Those are total population numbers in the denominator? We are at different points of endemnicity and generally its not too easy to compare numbers across countries due to different methods of accounting.

mk81 5y ago

Not sure why you all don't see it but this isn't playing the way you think it is.

miles 5y ago

> the people who are there knew before travelling that this was part of the deal The teens were not in quarantine camp due to any traveling on their part: > all three were from the Binjari community near Katherine and had been sent into quarantine as close contacts of positive cases.

version_five 5y ago

> US covid deaths per million: 2,365.98 > AU covid deaths per million: 79.28 But it's not like you've "weathered the storm" and are ok now. It just hasn't happened to you yet. Is there any evidence that if Australians ever come out of hiding, they won't just suffer similarly to the rest of the world? All you've done is oppress your citizens and cowered away for a couple years. I guess you're hoping that something will save you from what other places have experienced, but its just wishful thinking, it has no basis in reality. Being an island and not having a bill of rights let you isolate yourselves and restrain your countrymen in a way impossible in other western nations, but so far it's just bought you time, if living under lockdown counts as living. It hasn't actually solved anything.

exodust 5y ago
> It hasn't actually solved anything. I think the idea was to vaccinate as many as possible before opening up. The vaccine rate is high, so maybe that's one thing solved. Many in Australia were happy to get the jab. Others were pushed. Threats of job loss, or shamed with name-calling and segregation. And others still were coerced over time. Worn down with endless messaging and fear-mongering. This government ad for example has an actor choking to death in ICU: https://youtu.be/5v0Xc4dWYH4 https://youtu.be/5v0Xc4dWYH4