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This year, the CDU (center-right christian party) filed charges against Lilith Wittmann, who notified the CDU about a data leak concerning their election campai

This year, the CDU (center-right christian party) filed charges against Lilith Wittmann, who notified the CDU about a data leak concerning their election campaign app, which exposed personal data of 500,000 people. Data such as city of residence, street, age, gender and political opinions. [1] [1] https://www.berliner-zeitung.de/en/the-cdus-leaky-campaign-app-li.176310 https://www.berliner-zeitung.de/en/the-cdus-leaky-campaign-a...

ChuckNorris89 5y ago
Isn't this just like how BAFIN filed a lawsuit against financial journalists who were reporting on the Wirecard fraud instead of going after Wirecard? Seems like government assisted bullying is the default M.O. in Germany if you're the little guy and happen to step on the toes of the rich and powerful. IMHO, in this regard, Germany is way worse than the US.
- nix23 5y ago
  >Seems like government sponsored bullying is the default M.O. in Germany. Yes it is, it's a bit like the CCP, if they think it's anything against them (truthfully or not) they bite first and second, then stop talking about it and hope everyone forgets. Works pretty well for everyone directly involved...so no pressure to change anything.
  - llampx 5y ago
    The media is also very pro-government so that helps.
    - gutitout 5y ago
      They seem to work together.
- arlcode 5y ago
  Small correction, it would have been the BAFIN (banking regulator) and not the BAMS (migration office)
  - ChuckNorris89 5y ago
    Corrected, thanks.
- tut-urut-utut 5y ago
  Unfortunately Germany is slowly slipping to a totalitarian state it traditionally used to be. Now they are even planning compulsory vaccination for everyone.
  - blackbrokkoli 5y ago
    Wild take. Not only completely untrue, but also very amusing in its implication that there is overlap between the people preferring a totalitarian Germany and the people who would want compulsory vaccination.
    - st1ck 5y ago
      Well it seems neighboring Austria will fine unvaccinated residents[1], so it's definitely not a wild take. Second, totalitarian !== Nazi. [1] https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-11-22/vaccine-holdouts-face-4-000-fine-in-austria-s-virus-crackdown https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-11-22/vaccine-h...
    - freeflight 5y ago
      I mean, the vaccination measures now pile on top of the war on terror measures that a whole generation was already born, and normalized, to anyway. So this trend into more authoritarian structures is very real in a very objective way. And if everything keeps going as it does, there's a non zero probability this situation won't be of a temporary nature, just like there is a non zero probability that vaccines will need to be boosted/reapplied even more often. Sum all of that up, and it's a quite dystopian scenario we are possibly heading into.
  - jasonvorhe 5y ago
    The constitution works both ways: The state has to ensure personal liberty to everyone but what if a group started to restrict another group's liberties? Which group do you provide liberty for? It's a dilemma: Either those who sacrificed 2 years of their liberty so that scientists could come up with a vaccine, restoring all previous liberties after herd immunity would've been reached, all without causing the deaths millions of vulnerable people. Or those who decide against a vaccine where there is scientific consensus on effectiveness, who cause the infection to spread further and further, without having a scientific/rational reason for the decision, because it's rooted in fear.
- LargoLasskhyfv 5y ago
  PFFFT! BAFIN... what did you expect from the country of CUM-EX? Or, to go back to 2001, to the 'Frankfurter Steuerfahnder-Affäre', where people tried to do their job, and got mobbed, bullied, canceled and even psychiatrized for it! But won after years of law-suits. * https://www.faz.net/aktuell/rhein-main/schadenersatz-fuer-steuerfahnder-spd-fuer-reha-13182806.html https://www.faz.net/aktuell/rhein-main/schadenersatz-fuer-st...

ChuckNorris89 5y ago

Isn't this just like how BAFIN filed a lawsuit against financial journalists who were reporting on the Wirecard fraud instead of going after Wirecard? Seems like government assisted bullying is the default M.O. in Germany if you're the little guy and happen to step on the toes of the rich and powerful. IMHO, in this regard, Germany is way worse than the US.

nix23 5y ago
>Seems like government sponsored bullying is the default M.O. in Germany. Yes it is, it's a bit like the CCP, if they think it's anything against them (truthfully or not) they bite first and second, then stop talking about it and hope everyone forgets. Works pretty well for everyone directly involved...so no pressure to change anything.
- llampx 5y ago
  The media is also very pro-government so that helps.
  - gutitout 5y ago
    They seem to work together.
arlcode 5y ago
Small correction, it would have been the BAFIN (banking regulator) and not the BAMS (migration office)
- ChuckNorris89 5y ago
  Corrected, thanks.
tut-urut-utut 5y ago
Unfortunately Germany is slowly slipping to a totalitarian state it traditionally used to be. Now they are even planning compulsory vaccination for everyone.
- blackbrokkoli 5y ago
  Wild take. Not only completely untrue, but also very amusing in its implication that there is overlap between the people preferring a totalitarian Germany and the people who would want compulsory vaccination.
  - st1ck 5y ago
    Well it seems neighboring Austria will fine unvaccinated residents[1], so it's definitely not a wild take. Second, totalitarian !== Nazi. [1] https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-11-22/vaccine-holdouts-face-4-000-fine-in-austria-s-virus-crackdown https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-11-22/vaccine-h...
  - freeflight 5y ago
    I mean, the vaccination measures now pile on top of the war on terror measures that a whole generation was already born, and normalized, to anyway. So this trend into more authoritarian structures is very real in a very objective way. And if everything keeps going as it does, there's a non zero probability this situation won't be of a temporary nature, just like there is a non zero probability that vaccines will need to be boosted/reapplied even more often. Sum all of that up, and it's a quite dystopian scenario we are possibly heading into.
- jasonvorhe 5y ago
  The constitution works both ways: The state has to ensure personal liberty to everyone but what if a group started to restrict another group's liberties? Which group do you provide liberty for? It's a dilemma: Either those who sacrificed 2 years of their liberty so that scientists could come up with a vaccine, restoring all previous liberties after herd immunity would've been reached, all without causing the deaths millions of vulnerable people. Or those who decide against a vaccine where there is scientific consensus on effectiveness, who cause the infection to spread further and further, without having a scientific/rational reason for the decision, because it's rooted in fear.
LargoLasskhyfv 5y ago
PFFFT! BAFIN... what did you expect from the country of CUM-EX? Or, to go back to 2001, to the 'Frankfurter Steuerfahnder-Affäre', where people tried to do their job, and got mobbed, bullied, canceled and even psychiatrized for it! But won after years of law-suits. * https://www.faz.net/aktuell/rhein-main/schadenersatz-fuer-steuerfahnder-spd-fuer-reha-13182806.html https://www.faz.net/aktuell/rhein-main/schadenersatz-fuer-st...