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Gaming education system is a huge cottage industry in India. Here's a list of "services" for sale I know of first hand. 1. Impersonation during an exam/inter

Gaming education system is a huge cottage industry in India. Here's a list of "services" for sale I know of first hand. 1. Impersonation during an exam/interview. 2. Project work; end to end. 4. University degrees, including PhD end-to-end. You just need to attend a few classes. A poor or lower-middle income family has very very few escape routes into middle income group. Educational credentials is one of the best ways. A college degree opens multiple doors; government jobs, interviews in private companies etc., So the clamour to get educational degree in India is almost unprecedented. For example, the competition to get into IITs is immense. Google "Kota tuitions" for gory details. Here's a small example[1] [1] https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/home/sunday-times/deep-focus/why-kota-is-so-killing/articleshow/50421411.cms https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/home/sunday-times/deep-f...

nsonha 5y ago
> A poor or lower-middle income family has very very few escape routes into middle income group. Educational credentials is one of the best ways This is true universally, so I don't think it explains why some people in some countries are extra desperate to get degrees
- tangoalpha 5y ago
  The desperation is more in countries where being in poor or lower-middle income family restricts access to affordable quality schooling for kids, affordable sheltering, quality medicine or insurance. Hence you see more such desperation in under-developed or developing countries like India.
- ghoda 5y ago
  There is an extreme lack of professional educational institutions in India.
- wyclif 5y ago
  Don't forget, India has the caste social system which is what differentiates their brand of toxic status, social, and income climbing.
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- scratcheee 5y ago
  India is currently undergoing the inflection point of development. There's a _lot_ of very poor people in India, vastly more so than in a "fully developed" nation. But at the same time, India's recent economic growth is enormous, giving a far larger percentage of the population opportunities they've never had before. But there's enormous competition for those opportunities. So basically it's the right moment (more like "right half century") for India to have this problem, there's so much opportunity but also so much competition, that each small step forwards academically can mean a jumping a generation ahead of the curve on economic growth. To put it another way, you can model economic development by chucking a lump of meat to a school of starving piranhas.
  - nsonha 5y ago
    aren't China and SEA in the same position? Either they have the same fake degree problem as India, or something else is at play here.
moritonal 5y ago
I wish I had less morals to make this myself, but how long untill GPT-3 (or 4) is used to just produce material to pass the whole university process? It could probably solve exam questions.
- samhw 5y ago
  GPT-3 (and almost certainly also GPT-4) is not going to be capable of solving exam questions. I think you've got a radically exaggerated view of what it's capable of. It's a tool for generating roughly coherent text given a prompt.
  - emteycz 5y ago
    I think you've got a radically under-exaggerated view of what it's capable of. It's fully capable of answering 98% of exam questions. It's even capable of producing working code from description, and much more.
    - samhw 5y ago
      > It's fully capable of answering 98% of exam questions. What does this even mean? Is there some dataset of all exam questions? And to what standard is it capable of answering them? Do you have a source to substantiate any of this?
      - emteycz 5y ago
        I simply tried. You can too. It gives fully correct answers deemed correct by the textbooks I took them from - and not word by word so it's not simple matching. It failed on a fusion physics scripta question - but I'm pretty sure almost nobody in the world knows that answer as it's very cutting edge stuff.
        tomerv 5y ago
        What sort of questions? Care to give a concrete example? GPT-3 is certainly capable of regurgitating facts, even to the point of rewording them, and connecting a small number of facts together. But it's not capable of making logical deductions in any consistent manner.
adenozine 5y ago
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nsonha 5y ago

> A poor or lower-middle income family has very very few escape routes into middle income group. Educational credentials is one of the best ways This is true universally, so I don't think it explains why some people in some countries are extra desperate to get degrees

tangoalpha 5y ago
The desperation is more in countries where being in poor or lower-middle income family restricts access to affordable quality schooling for kids, affordable sheltering, quality medicine or insurance. Hence you see more such desperation in under-developed or developing countries like India.
ghoda 5y ago
There is an extreme lack of professional educational institutions in India.
wyclif 5y ago
Don't forget, India has the caste social system which is what differentiates their brand of toxic status, social, and income climbing.
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scratcheee 5y ago
India is currently undergoing the inflection point of development. There's a _lot_ of very poor people in India, vastly more so than in a "fully developed" nation. But at the same time, India's recent economic growth is enormous, giving a far larger percentage of the population opportunities they've never had before. But there's enormous competition for those opportunities. So basically it's the right moment (more like "right half century") for India to have this problem, there's so much opportunity but also so much competition, that each small step forwards academically can mean a jumping a generation ahead of the curve on economic growth. To put it another way, you can model economic development by chucking a lump of meat to a school of starving piranhas.
- nsonha 5y ago
  aren't China and SEA in the same position? Either they have the same fake degree problem as India, or something else is at play here.

moritonal 5y ago

I wish I had less morals to make this myself, but how long untill GPT-3 (or 4) is used to just produce material to pass the whole university process? It could probably solve exam questions.

samhw 5y ago
GPT-3 (and almost certainly also GPT-4) is not going to be capable of solving exam questions. I think you've got a radically exaggerated view of what it's capable of. It's a tool for generating roughly coherent text given a prompt.
- emteycz 5y ago
  I think you've got a radically under-exaggerated view of what it's capable of. It's fully capable of answering 98% of exam questions. It's even capable of producing working code from description, and much more.
  - samhw 5y ago
    > It's fully capable of answering 98% of exam questions. What does this even mean? Is there some dataset of all exam questions? And to what standard is it capable of answering them? Do you have a source to substantiate any of this?
    - emteycz 5y ago
      I simply tried. You can too. It gives fully correct answers deemed correct by the textbooks I took them from - and not word by word so it's not simple matching. It failed on a fusion physics scripta question - but I'm pretty sure almost nobody in the world knows that answer as it's very cutting edge stuff.
      - tomerv 5y ago
        What sort of questions? Care to give a concrete example? GPT-3 is certainly capable of regurgitating facts, even to the point of rewording them, and connecting a small number of facts together. But it's not capable of making logical deductions in any consistent manner.

adenozine 5y ago

You skipped 3.

__s 5y ago
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