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No, this is exactly wrong. Slack in real time = I ran into a problem and I will bother you in real time until you fix it. Endemic to data scientists! Not writ

No, this is exactly wrong. Slack in real time = I ran into a problem and I will bother you in real time until you fix it. Endemic to data scientists! Not writing email = I need you to answer me now, not later. Also, I don't want to waste time composing text when I can just talk to you over video right now. Meetings all the time = I want the highest bandwidth communication immediately, instead of having to wait for an unspecified length of time, only to realize that I have a follow-up question. This is precisely about responsibility and responsiveness, right now, immediately, and in real time, until the problem is solved. It's very much a young person and startup thing. Maybe it works differently if you contract with a large, slow bigcorp of some kind, but I've never worked in such an environment.

novok 5y ago
No, meetings and slack pings happen all the time in bigcorp land too.
pracer 5y ago
Actually not true. That is the typical environment of big corps in my experience. And also for companies who didnt adapt correctly to remote work. I work from Europe with a NY based startup and these problems were resolved. If some work may require people involved in some critical path, it is scheduled in advance. And there is always someone on call for each critical system. You keep using problems that are not related to remote work neccesarily, but to the way the company works.
antisthenes 5y ago
> This is precisely about responsibility and responsiveness Yes, it's about placing the responsibility on the person you're bothering, and doing less of it yourself. So I think you're actually agreeing with me or somehow misinterpreted my post. Here's your cases laid out: 1. I think my problem is more important than whatever it is you're doing, so it's Ok to bother you. 2. I can't bother to organize my thoughts and compose them in writing, so have fun parsing my word salad over voice, because obviously you have nothing better to do. 3. I am horrible at planning and cannot think of questions in advance, so it's your fault. > It's very much a young person and startup thing Right, so the toxic business practices.
- legerdemain 5y ago
  Yes, this is called "seniority" and "delegation." As you get more senior, your problems get more important, your time gets more valuable, your needs get more urgent. This is why there are more junior employees than senior employees, why companies are structured like pyramids, why a team generally has one lead, and so on.
  - n4r9 5y ago
    So: all of the Slack pings you're talking about are coming from further up the heirarchy?
  - antisthenes 5y ago
    My point was - I don't mind being pinged and generally making myself more available to my immediate senior managers. I do take issue if I constantly get pinged from people who are in lateral teams and positions and in companies where there's no clearly defined structure and everyone pings everyone. Then it's pure toxic chaos. Hope that clarifies it.
  - mbrodersen 5y ago
    True if you are a bad manager. False if you know how to hire competent people and delegate effectively. The best managers are not busy at all. The worst managers are constantly trying to fix problems ultimately created by themselves.
mbrodersen 5y ago
What you are describing is a disfunctional company. A company that doesn’t know how to organise tasks and people to not block each other.

novok 5y ago

No, meetings and slack pings happen all the time in bigcorp land too.

pracer 5y ago

Actually not true. That is the typical environment of big corps in my experience. And also for companies who didnt adapt correctly to remote work. I work from Europe with a NY based startup and these problems were resolved. If some work may require people involved in some critical path, it is scheduled in advance. And there is always someone on call for each critical system. You keep using problems that are not related to remote work neccesarily, but to the way the company works.

antisthenes 5y ago

> This is precisely about responsibility and responsiveness Yes, it's about placing the responsibility on the person you're bothering, and doing less of it yourself. So I think you're actually agreeing with me or somehow misinterpreted my post. Here's your cases laid out: 1. I think my problem is more important than whatever it is you're doing, so it's Ok to bother you. 2. I can't bother to organize my thoughts and compose them in writing, so have fun parsing my word salad over voice, because obviously you have nothing better to do. 3. I am horrible at planning and cannot think of questions in advance, so it's your fault. > It's very much a young person and startup thing Right, so the toxic business practices.

legerdemain 5y ago
Yes, this is called "seniority" and "delegation." As you get more senior, your problems get more important, your time gets more valuable, your needs get more urgent. This is why there are more junior employees than senior employees, why companies are structured like pyramids, why a team generally has one lead, and so on.
- n4r9 5y ago
  So: all of the Slack pings you're talking about are coming from further up the heirarchy?
- antisthenes 5y ago
  My point was - I don't mind being pinged and generally making myself more available to my immediate senior managers. I do take issue if I constantly get pinged from people who are in lateral teams and positions and in companies where there's no clearly defined structure and everyone pings everyone. Then it's pure toxic chaos. Hope that clarifies it.
- mbrodersen 5y ago
  True if you are a bad manager. False if you know how to hire competent people and delegate effectively. The best managers are not busy at all. The worst managers are constantly trying to fix problems ultimately created by themselves.

mbrodersen 5y ago

What you are describing is a disfunctional company. A company that doesn’t know how to organise tasks and people to not block each other.