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Germany is truly backwater when it comes to internet and the new economy. I doubt the court can even comprehend the role of DNS providers. All they have are age

Germany is truly backwater when it comes to internet and the new economy. I doubt the court can even comprehend the role of DNS providers. All they have are age-old cases and and a relict understanding of things in the past. Perhaps Quad9 lawyers should try to compare DNS service with a telephone book (die Gelbe Seite). It’s unimaginable that the Bundespost should revise their phone books or applying some redaction due to the disputes of some businesses. Even when a business deemed illegal in the past, die Bundespost was never demanded to remove their listings. Perhaps then will these verehrende Richter be able to grasp the matter.

hef19898 5y ago
When Angela Merkel stated that "the internet is undiscovered land for all of us" (Das Internet ist für uns alle Neuland), she was mocked. Also by myself. Now I am convinced she just stated a fact, a true one at that. As sad as it is.
- ketzu 5y ago
  I think in the context of law, how it applies and should/could be enforced on the internet, societal implications like fake news, privacy and state surveilance (last was the actual context of the quote) she was right back then and is right still. We have little experience with the problems, discover new problems every other year and have no solutions that work well - hence, uncharted land. Not limited to germany.
  - throwaway14356 5y ago
    i look at this as running a small ferry to the island on a lake and the state demanding that i refuse passengers as a punishment for crimes they were never convicted of. Even if they had their day in court i should not be forced to punish anyone. Then i should also pay for implementation? First the offender should pay for his persecution, then tax, then the victim but never some random citizen.
- LargoLasskhyfv 5y ago
  Hey, Dorothee Bär has an iPhone and understands Clubhouse! What more can you whish for? /S
ChuckNorris89 5y ago
This reminds me of the way you fill in an online form in Germany: You go to the online form, print it out, fill it in, then either fax it, send it by post or put it in the institutions mailbox in person. Or how some gyms required the membership cancellation be done by post during the 2020 lockdowns. Paper based bureaucracy in Germany is an exhaustive tradition that has survived the internet age and seems is not going away anytime soon.
- LeonidasXIV 5y ago
  I used to live in Germany and the letters I still get are nearly 80% from Germany. My local government just does things online and never bothers me with paper. It is quite amusing if it weren't this sad. I wanted to vote in German elections but that requires me sending 2(!) letters because for some reason web forms don't exist.
- embik 5y ago
  I think there’s a distinction necessary for institutions and private businesses here. Private businesses implement paper-based cancellations to make it harder for people to cancel, not because they‘re bureaucratic per se.
  - helloguillecl 5y ago
    I'd fall into this explanation if I didn't need to post yesterday a sign-up form for my daughter's school.
- nix23 5y ago
  >print it out, fill it in, then fax it That's how you open new User accounts (Active Directory) in one of the biggest insurance company's in Germany (from Local-IT to HQ-IT) ;)
- hef19898 5y ago
  That reminds me of a story I heard about the Bundeswehr from a colleague, and former officer, once. Apparently the Bundeswehr is still keeping typewriters in depots in case that during war electronics and computers fail. Not sure how that is supposed to actually work so.
eecc 5y ago
Yeah, I mean their online payment system Klarna wants you to provide OTP credentials to access you online banking directly and do whatever they may with it. When I saw it, I slammed the laptop shut and was so disturbed that I went to wash my hands
- ivandenysov 5y ago
  Klarna is Swedish
RicoElectrico 5y ago
If there is ever a chance of Poland catching up to Germany (at least in PPP terms), then it's going to be in digital economy. Already leapfrogged Germany in payment tech, in terms of open geodata the same (opened up most GIS datasets, even if sometimes quality is mediocre). Now, if it weren't for the clowns in the government that got inflation out of control...
_ink_ 5y ago
I am pretty sure they fully understand. I bet they are pissed that illegal things happen that are outside of their reach. And they want to prevent this with rulings that are in fact not inline with the law. It is basically a test how resilient the german system is against a court with malicious intent.

hef19898 5y ago

When Angela Merkel stated that "the internet is undiscovered land for all of us" (Das Internet ist für uns alle Neuland), she was mocked. Also by myself. Now I am convinced she just stated a fact, a true one at that. As sad as it is.

ketzu 5y ago
I think in the context of law, how it applies and should/could be enforced on the internet, societal implications like fake news, privacy and state surveilance (last was the actual context of the quote) she was right back then and is right still. We have little experience with the problems, discover new problems every other year and have no solutions that work well - hence, uncharted land. Not limited to germany.
- throwaway14356 5y ago
  i look at this as running a small ferry to the island on a lake and the state demanding that i refuse passengers as a punishment for crimes they were never convicted of. Even if they had their day in court i should not be forced to punish anyone. Then i should also pay for implementation? First the offender should pay for his persecution, then tax, then the victim but never some random citizen.
LargoLasskhyfv 5y ago
Hey, Dorothee Bär has an iPhone and understands Clubhouse! What more can you whish for? /S

ChuckNorris89 5y ago

This reminds me of the way you fill in an online form in Germany: You go to the online form, print it out, fill it in, then either fax it, send it by post or put it in the institutions mailbox in person. Or how some gyms required the membership cancellation be done by post during the 2020 lockdowns. Paper based bureaucracy in Germany is an exhaustive tradition that has survived the internet age and seems is not going away anytime soon.

LeonidasXIV 5y ago
I used to live in Germany and the letters I still get are nearly 80% from Germany. My local government just does things online and never bothers me with paper. It is quite amusing if it weren't this sad. I wanted to vote in German elections but that requires me sending 2(!) letters because for some reason web forms don't exist.
embik 5y ago
I think there’s a distinction necessary for institutions and private businesses here. Private businesses implement paper-based cancellations to make it harder for people to cancel, not because they‘re bureaucratic per se.
- helloguillecl 5y ago
  I'd fall into this explanation if I didn't need to post yesterday a sign-up form for my daughter's school.
nix23 5y ago
>print it out, fill it in, then fax it That's how you open new User accounts (Active Directory) in one of the biggest insurance company's in Germany (from Local-IT to HQ-IT) ;)
hef19898 5y ago
That reminds me of a story I heard about the Bundeswehr from a colleague, and former officer, once. Apparently the Bundeswehr is still keeping typewriters in depots in case that during war electronics and computers fail. Not sure how that is supposed to actually work so.

eecc 5y ago

Yeah, I mean their online payment system Klarna wants you to provide OTP credentials to access you online banking directly and do whatever they may with it. When I saw it, I slammed the laptop shut and was so disturbed that I went to wash my hands

ivandenysov 5y ago
Klarna is Swedish

RicoElectrico 5y ago

If there is ever a chance of Poland catching up to Germany (at least in PPP terms), then it's going to be in digital economy. Already leapfrogged Germany in payment tech, in terms of open geodata the same (opened up most GIS datasets, even if sometimes quality is mediocre). Now, if it weren't for the clowns in the government that got inflation out of control...

_ink_ 5y ago

I am pretty sure they fully understand. I bet they are pissed that illegal things happen that are outside of their reach. And they want to prevent this with rulings that are in fact not inline with the law. It is basically a test how resilient the german system is against a court with malicious intent.