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The bigger fear though is in the unvaccinated. Read news coming out of Israel that R has increased by 1.3x and severity (not sure how that's measured) has incre

The bigger fear though is in the unvaccinated. Read news coming out of Israel that R has increased by 1.3x and severity (not sure how that's measured) has increased by 2.4x over Delta [1]. [1] https://tinyurl.com/yckjcmzu https://tinyurl.com/yckjcmzu

PraetorianGourd 5y ago
That may turn out to be true but there is absolutely no way they have enough data to make such claims yet. To do so is irresponsible at best
- halfmatthalfcat 5y ago
  I agree, it's up to anyone consuming sources to decide for themselves based on available evidence.
  - PraetorianGourd 5y ago
    Right, but anyone who takes a position yet should be dismissed without prejudice. The default, null hypothesis is that Omicron is exactly as virulent and deadly as the current baseline, Delta. Anything else is bullshit for now and anyone who claims to have data contra that null hypothesis is lying
    - zenplant 5y ago
      The problem I see there, and it's the exact reason governments/media/the stock market are all bracing, is that if it's not the way you describe and we keep doing what we're doing (which with Delta has now become next to nothing) it could end up killing 10s of thousands of people. It's important to at least consider that we have a new mutation that needs to be treated differently than the old ones. Be careful out there folks. Wash your hands, wear a mask.
      - PraetorianGourd 5y ago
        Yes, we research it, we warn those who are at high risk to be extra cautious but we don’t spread FUD that everyone is going to get reinfected, that the vaccines are useless. You must be able to tell the difference between a cautious but reasonable approach and panic.
- zenplant 5y ago
  Which is why this story is considered news. People are trying to reassess the risk factor of doing whatever the hell they want. The info has been sparse so far, so we want whatever we can get. Personally I don't mind sitting inside again for 2-3 weeks while this all gets figured out, but I know I'm in the vast minority by this point.
fauciisgay 5y ago
... but... but the vax protects you! That is why you got the vax is it not?
cpncrunch 5y ago
It also says that the vaccine effectiveness for triple vaccinated people is 90% vs 95% for delta, so still pretty good.

PraetorianGourd 5y ago

That may turn out to be true but there is absolutely no way they have enough data to make such claims yet. To do so is irresponsible at best

halfmatthalfcat 5y ago
I agree, it's up to anyone consuming sources to decide for themselves based on available evidence.
- PraetorianGourd 5y ago
  Right, but anyone who takes a position yet should be dismissed without prejudice. The default, null hypothesis is that Omicron is exactly as virulent and deadly as the current baseline, Delta. Anything else is bullshit for now and anyone who claims to have data contra that null hypothesis is lying
  - zenplant 5y ago
    The problem I see there, and it's the exact reason governments/media/the stock market are all bracing, is that if it's not the way you describe and we keep doing what we're doing (which with Delta has now become next to nothing) it could end up killing 10s of thousands of people. It's important to at least consider that we have a new mutation that needs to be treated differently than the old ones. Be careful out there folks. Wash your hands, wear a mask.
    - PraetorianGourd 5y ago
      Yes, we research it, we warn those who are at high risk to be extra cautious but we don’t spread FUD that everyone is going to get reinfected, that the vaccines are useless. You must be able to tell the difference between a cautious but reasonable approach and panic.
zenplant 5y ago
Which is why this story is considered news. People are trying to reassess the risk factor of doing whatever the hell they want. The info has been sparse so far, so we want whatever we can get. Personally I don't mind sitting inside again for 2-3 weeks while this all gets figured out, but I know I'm in the vast minority by this point.

fauciisgay 5y ago

... but... but the vax protects you! That is why you got the vax is it not?

cpncrunch 5y ago

It also says that the vaccine effectiveness for triple vaccinated people is 90% vs 95% for delta, so still pretty good.