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Seems to not on par for power efficiency due to Qualcomm use Samsung process. Especially for CPU because they use same Cortex IP with a bit different configurat

Seems to not on par for power efficiency due to Qualcomm use Samsung process. Especially for CPU because they use same Cortex IP with a bit different configuration. Ah come to think of it, 10Gbps wireless connection looks insane compared to current wired interface bandwidth.

rektide 5y ago
Big long ramble incoming, sorry in advance. Intel laptops having 2x TB4 ports, having 80GBps connectivity, which can be used for host-to-host connectivity (a usb4 thing), is just putting super stupid to shame desktops & the 2.5Gbit/5Gbit/10Gbe push. Laptops are just so much more interesting & capable than desktops, such better connectivity!!! The 8g1 here having 10Gbps wifi is just another hot indicator that many many many types of connectivity have simply not kept up, that consumerized market tiering & their very slowly shifting price points have severely critically stiffled innovation. It's absurd how weirdly lopsidedly bandwidth is advancing. There's historical precedent that keeps allowing old, slow standards to endure, not be challenged. The creation of 2.5 & 5Gbe created the impression that there's a tiering of consumer offerings... but to be honest, I think 25Gbe, not 2.5Gbe, should just be the modern expected standard, that we should just do it. True, ethernet is far bigger a challenge, far more distance & difficulty & power than USB aims for, but in my guestimates it's like 90% market tiering & consumer price point acceptance that defines what we're getting, not real competition, not real tries. And laptops are just way way way way better, doing way more, than everyone else. But we don't see, we haven't tried to really raise desktop expectations, basically ever. ~20 lanes of slightly-behind-the-times PCIe is all we've ever got & all we've ever expected. As for power efficiency, I don't see that there's enough tea leaves to read now. TSMC will probably have an edge, but at this point I think the difference is probably not that critical. Just a guess.

rektide 5y ago

Big long ramble incoming, sorry in advance. Intel laptops having 2x TB4 ports, having 80GBps connectivity, which can be used for host-to-host connectivity (a usb4 thing), is just putting super stupid to shame desktops & the 2.5Gbit/5Gbit/10Gbe push. Laptops are just so much more interesting & capable than desktops, such better connectivity!!! The 8g1 here having 10Gbps wifi is just another hot indicator that many many many types of connectivity have simply not kept up, that consumerized market tiering & their very slowly shifting price points have severely critically stiffled innovation. It's absurd how weirdly lopsidedly bandwidth is advancing. There's historical precedent that keeps allowing old, slow standards to endure, not be challenged. The creation of 2.5 & 5Gbe created the impression that there's a tiering of consumer offerings... but to be honest, I think 25Gbe, not 2.5Gbe, should just be the modern expected standard, that we should just do it. True, ethernet is far bigger a challenge, far more distance & difficulty & power than USB aims for, but in my guestimates it's like 90% market tiering & consumer price point acceptance that defines what we're getting, not real competition, not real tries. And laptops are just way way way way better, doing way more, than everyone else. But we don't see, we haven't tried to really raise desktop expectations, basically ever. ~20 lanes of slightly-behind-the-times PCIe is all we've ever got & all we've ever expected. As for power efficiency, I don't see that there's enough tea leaves to read now. TSMC will probably have an edge, but at this point I think the difference is probably not that critical. Just a guess.