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If there are only 10,000 graphic cards available to sell - what difference does it make if these end up in the hands of 10,000 rich gamers who can afford to buy

by avalys 5y ago

If there are only 10,000 graphic cards available to sell - what difference does it make if these end up in the hands of 10,000 rich gamers who can afford to buy them at market price - as opposed to 10,000 randomly selected gamers who won a lottery system? The fundamental problem is that there are only 10,000 cards. If the PC gaming market is destroyed, it will be because there are not enough cards, not because they got distributed to the wrong gamers. You are focused on the wrong end of the problem. (In fact, you could certainly argue that the PC gaming market will be better off overall if the limited supply of cards goes to rich gamers who are more likely to spend more money on games and keep the industry alive).

rektide 5y ago
You're using stupidly insulting low numbers to make a point that isn't valid. There's not like, no, cards. There's just not a lot. Your other point about gamers not needing good/fast cards (in a follow up post) is also not super interesting to me, since all cards are at super-inflated values. Even old/used cards. For a long time RX580's were around $200. Not a blisteringly fast flagship even in it's day (spring 2017). Now they're $400. Just getting started with a basic card costs what a console does, and that's messed up. Obviously messed up. There is for sure a supply issue here, absolutely. But with gpu miners and scalpers savaging the market, I think it's reckless beyond belief to pretend that we should just let this ride out, that we shouldn't try to help this market stay healthy. I just cannot believe what protest there is against doing a basic good deed, trying to fight pernicious forces off. What makes you feel so strongly this way?
- avalys 5y ago
  I'd appreciate you not calling me stupid. I could say that your attitude here comes across like a 14-year-old whose parents told him he won't be getting a new GPU for Christmas. The 10k number was just an example, is there a number you could substitute that you think makes my point less effective? Please do. > I just cannot believe what protest there is against doing a basic good deed, trying to fight pernicious forces off. What makes you feel so strongly this way? I think your opinion here is fundamentally wrong-headed and short-circuiting the market in the manner you are advocating for causes worse outcomes for everyone in the long term, and often in markets that are a lot more important than GPUs and PC gaming. So I get a little bit of satisfaction from pushing back against this viewpoint where I can.
  - rektide 5y ago
    Wow man. Ouch! Some ultra-cruel shit being flung over here. Ok, so some technicals. I don't think I called you stupid at all. I said the numbers you chose were stupidly low. Please be able to differentiate. You are not the points you make! I asked very genuinely to try to understand some of your perspective. I don't ask that of people I call stupid! I've been rebuffed, and told your only interest is because I am so "wrong-headed", which isn't really helping anything along here... I'd like to see better, I think you deserve to show a better side of yourself than that. > I could say that your attitude here comes across like a 14-year-old whose Look man, I've found this attempt to discuss to be super distateful un-willing to engage honestly. I already said that. You're just upping the game again and again & not replying earnestly. Please try to say something useful, please try to help the discussion engage? This is huge flame-bait. I don't think I've ever been so brash or rude. I specifically think one specific number you said is way way way off base. You're making this super nasty. While telling me I am being nasty, and a little child? I really disagree, heavily; I don't think this is called for. But that's not even my real interest here. I don't care what you have to say about me. I'm not making that the new argument. You've refused to clash again & again. That's the most interesting thing to me, trying to explore & understand & gain & share insight. I raise points & you float off. C'mon man. Your view has not been kind to people just trying to get products without being exploited. I patently don't get it. What drives you to such strong beliefs? Why are you throwing such flame around at me? What's going on here? Tell me about yourself, how you come to feel this way. I genuinely want to know. > I think your opinion here is fundamentally wrong-headed and short-circuiting the market in the manner you are advocating for causes worse outcomes for everyone in the long term, How? Why? Nvidia & to a degree AMD have been trying to prevent cryptocurrencies from treading on the gaming market. There's been lotteries to try to insure broader access, but which gets gamed. Everyone else seems to agree, seems to want to try to help the regular plain old non-hostile non-money-grabbing folk get cards, at a rate somewhat like what they could. Except you. You keep insisting the market must serve itself, maximize profit. Or face vague foreboding "or else" consequences. You speak here of bad outcomes, of horrible ills, but fail to define these ends. And not defining or explaining why. (And using very personalized inappropriate senses of conflict to deflect.) Not saying anything to actually defend or explain your position. I patently don't get it. And you don't seem at all sympathetic to how hard you are hitting, which hurts. Why not be a little bit more moderate my man?
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by avalys 5y ago

rektide 5y ago

You're using stupidly insulting low numbers to make a point that isn't valid. There's not like, no, cards. There's just not a lot. Your other point about gamers not needing good/fast cards (in a follow up post) is also not super interesting to me, since all cards are at super-inflated values. Even old/used cards. For a long time RX580's were around $200. Not a blisteringly fast flagship even in it's day (spring 2017). Now they're $400. Just getting started with a basic card costs what a console does, and that's messed up. Obviously messed up. There is for sure a supply issue here, absolutely. But with gpu miners and scalpers savaging the market, I think it's reckless beyond belief to pretend that we should just let this ride out, that we shouldn't try to help this market stay healthy. I just cannot believe what protest there is against doing a basic good deed, trying to fight pernicious forces off. What makes you feel so strongly this way?

avalys 5y ago
I'd appreciate you not calling me stupid. I could say that your attitude here comes across like a 14-year-old whose parents told him he won't be getting a new GPU for Christmas. The 10k number was just an example, is there a number you could substitute that you think makes my point less effective? Please do. > I just cannot believe what protest there is against doing a basic good deed, trying to fight pernicious forces off. What makes you feel so strongly this way? I think your opinion here is fundamentally wrong-headed and short-circuiting the market in the manner you are advocating for causes worse outcomes for everyone in the long term, and often in markets that are a lot more important than GPUs and PC gaming. So I get a little bit of satisfaction from pushing back against this viewpoint where I can.
- rektide 5y ago
  Wow man. Ouch! Some ultra-cruel shit being flung over here. Ok, so some technicals. I don't think I called you stupid at all. I said the numbers you chose were stupidly low. Please be able to differentiate. You are not the points you make! I asked very genuinely to try to understand some of your perspective. I don't ask that of people I call stupid! I've been rebuffed, and told your only interest is because I am so "wrong-headed", which isn't really helping anything along here... I'd like to see better, I think you deserve to show a better side of yourself than that. > I could say that your attitude here comes across like a 14-year-old whose Look man, I've found this attempt to discuss to be super distateful un-willing to engage honestly. I already said that. You're just upping the game again and again & not replying earnestly. Please try to say something useful, please try to help the discussion engage? This is huge flame-bait. I don't think I've ever been so brash or rude. I specifically think one specific number you said is way way way off base. You're making this super nasty. While telling me I am being nasty, and a little child? I really disagree, heavily; I don't think this is called for. But that's not even my real interest here. I don't care what you have to say about me. I'm not making that the new argument. You've refused to clash again & again. That's the most interesting thing to me, trying to explore & understand & gain & share insight. I raise points & you float off. C'mon man. Your view has not been kind to people just trying to get products without being exploited. I patently don't get it. What drives you to such strong beliefs? Why are you throwing such flame around at me? What's going on here? Tell me about yourself, how you come to feel this way. I genuinely want to know. > I think your opinion here is fundamentally wrong-headed and short-circuiting the market in the manner you are advocating for causes worse outcomes for everyone in the long term, How? Why? Nvidia & to a degree AMD have been trying to prevent cryptocurrencies from treading on the gaming market. There's been lotteries to try to insure broader access, but which gets gamed. Everyone else seems to agree, seems to want to try to help the regular plain old non-hostile non-money-grabbing folk get cards, at a rate somewhat like what they could. Except you. You keep insisting the market must serve itself, maximize profit. Or face vague foreboding "or else" consequences. You speak here of bad outcomes, of horrible ills, but fail to define these ends. And not defining or explaining why. (And using very personalized inappropriate senses of conflict to deflect.) Not saying anything to actually defend or explain your position. I patently don't get it. And you don't seem at all sympathetic to how hard you are hitting, which hurts. Why not be a little bit more moderate my man?

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