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Just like the NSA spying on Americans is unlawful [0] the FBI terrorizing political movements is unlawful [1] or the CIA operating in the US is unlawful [2] Ye
by freeflight 5y ago
Just like the NSA spying on Americans is unlawful [0] the FBI terrorizing political movements is unlawful [1] or the CIA operating in the US is unlawful [2]
Yet, I'm pretty sure all these are still happening, to a certain degree, to this day.
[0] https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-nsa-spying-idUSKBN25T3CK https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-nsa-spying-idUSKBN25T...
[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/COINTELPRO https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/COINTELPRO
[2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_CHAOS https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_CHAOS
- nikcub 5y agoLarger point would be if it's obtained unlawfully it can't be used in a court of law against you. Recent cases: https://www.vice.com/en/article/pkppqk/court-throws-out-messages-from-anom-finland-spain https://www.vice.com/en/article/pkppqk/court-throws-out-mess... https://www.computerweekly.com/news/252503524/Berlin-court-finds-EncroChat-intercept-evidence-cannot-be-used-in-criminal-trials https://www.computerweekly.com/news/252503524/Berlin-court-f...
- the_optimist 5y agoThat is little consolation in the court of public opinion, where FBI management and the Justice Department have demonstrated willingness and capability to hold mob court and manipulate public opinion outside the formal legal system. They will SWAT you themselves if they like, on live TV.
- dwiel 5y agoParallel Construction makes this a technicality/nuisance, not a show stopper.
- yownie 5y agocame here to say this.
- filoeleven 5y agoGenerally only if you have the means to hire a good lawyer.
- phonethrowaway 5y agoThe NSA doesn't need to illegally spy on Americans when an ally can do it for them and then share the data legally. https://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/ukusa/ https://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/ukusa/ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Five_Eyes https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Five_Eyes
- HamburgerEmoji 5y agoIs it usually legal to compensate some other party to do something illegal? I don't think so. This situation seems something like paying an ambassador to steal something. The ambassador might not be prosecutable, but why isn't the local party? I think the real answer is "power", but that's not good enough.
- freeflight 5y agoThat's not really how it works. Sure, it is also a way to circumvent such local legislature, but for that to work American allies would need to run actual surveillance structures in the US mainland proper out in the open.. You know, like the US does in the countries of it's "allies" like Germany [0] Do you really think the US would allow German intelligence agencies to build whole complexes, plugged right into the US's largest IPX? That's why this situation is not nearly as "symbiotic" as it's often made out to be. At best that applies to Five Eyes countries, and even there only to a very limited degree as no Five Eyes member as as much foreign presence as the US. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ECHELON#Examples_of_industrial_espionage https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ECHELON#Examples_of_industrial...
- the_optimist 5y agoTo this rhetorical question, a resounding “yes” answer. There is credible suggestion that GCHQ has been invited to operate US facilities on US soil for this explicit purpose. https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2013/aug/01/nsa-paid-gchq-spying-edward-snowden https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2013/aug/01/nsa-paid-gch...