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Legitimate question: why do people find this interesting and/or why is it relevant to the trial?

by tylermauthe 5y ago

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rkk3 5y ago
Because her defense is "her boyfriend made her do it" and this is allegedly a schedule he made for her.
- samhw 5y ago
  I can definitely see her as that specific type of insecure person who chooses someone like that because they feel they deserve the punishment. It reminds me a little of Nastasya Filippovna, from the Idiot: > No, no; we'd better say good-bye and part friends. I am a bit of a dreamer myself, and I used to dream of you once. Very often during those five years down at his estate I used to dream and think, and I always imagined just such a good, honest, foolish fellow as you, one who should come and say to me: 'You are an innocent woman, Nastasia Philipovna, and I adore you.' I dreamt of you often. I used to think so much down there that I nearly went mad; and then this fellow here would come down. He would stay a couple of months out of the twelve, and disgrace and insult and deprave me, and then go; so that I longed to drown myself in the pond a thousand times over; but I did not dare do it.
- FireBeyond 5y ago
  The biggest challenge I have with this (because intimate partner abuse/violence is a real thing and shouldn't be lessened) is that even accounting for their secrecy, the relationship didn't develop until well after Theranos was on a path, and Holmes is claiming sexual harassment from Day 1 (or earlier, when it was "just an idea"). Who thinks repeatedly sexually harassing _your boss_, who can terminate your employment, is a move that's going to earn you career success?? There's also a lot of other evidence to say that she was quite comfortable with how things went in their relationship and at work. Similarly, through all the buildup to where we're at now, not once was this floated, until trial. Holmes was a believer, still touting that we have her and Theranos all wrong, are all luddite naysayers. Day 1 of the trial? "Actually, Sunny made me do it all". Let's not get into the sociopathic narcissism (and other apt phrases) that comes with "I just got the trial calendar for my federal court case that could see me get 20 years in jail. Oh look, in the midst of all that, I got pregnant with a due date that is just before the trial is set to wrap up". Yes, people fall in love, accidents happen, but my thoughts in this scenario have "have a kid" pretty damn far down the list of my priorities (that being said, the aforementioned narcissism and denial could genuinely have her believing "there's no way in hell anyone finds me guilty").
  - rkk3 5y ago
    > the relationship didn't develop until well after Theranos was on a path It was news to me, literally, but apparently their "romantic" relationship goes back to 2002/2003. But in general I am quite skeptical of Holmes.
    - FireBeyond 5y ago
      Which I could entirely believe, despite all this. Sunny met her when he was 38 and she was in high school, heading to Stanford in 2003. So above and beyond "secret relationship with the boss", I could also see "not wanting to be seen as grooming/a groomed high school student" as a reason to keep things on the downlow.
version_five 5y ago
Yes I agree, whatever you think of her, this (sharing here notes on social media) is basically just mean gossip.
- CalChris 5y ago
  In her own handwriting?
- FireBeyond 5y ago
  Err, she and her counsel are the ones who entered this into the _public record_ specifically to (attempt to) exonerate her. There's very little "mean gossip" about it.
  - version_five 5y ago
    Do you think it's being shared and discussed here because it exonerates her?
    - FireBeyond 5y ago
      I don't think it exonerates her, whether or not it was written by her, or "evidence" of Balwani's "controlling ways". I think it absolutely portrays her a way in which she wanted to be portrayed for the longest time - ultra motivated, high energy, visionary, driven. I don't necessarily think there's anything inherently wrong in calling it out as looking far more like "the notepad of someone who _wants_ to be thought of in all those ways", as much as the reality. And I say that as someone who is chronically trying to "organize" my life, and getting tripped up on the investments to that end, rather than "putting in the work". Edit: also, she doesn't get to control the narrative. "Here's evidence of how I lived my life, but you don't get to look at it or talk about it in ways other than I intended" and we are not obligated to stick to the "approved narrative".
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killingtime74 5y ago
Have you never wondered how a genius/suspected scammer spends their day? Are they just like us? Like the videos of Hitler practicing his speeches
- bserge 5y ago
  Of course they're "just like us". Just much more open to manipulating others into doing their bidding. Lots (most/all?) of people have this trait, but few seem to be able to use it to its full extent. I, for example, heavily prefer to do everything myself and don't bother anyone unless I have something to offer. Terrible way to live btw. I do sometimes think how great it would be to have other people do my bidding and make me rich. The reality that everyone has their own mind is what's off-putting, I would not force or manipulate anyone, I'd rather have robots do all the work instead. This seems to be a common mentality among "tech inclined" people.
heavymark 5y ago
In regards to why do people find personal insights into famous (or infamous) people's lives, I would presume that is more common than not, but of course others like yourself presumably find no such interesting in what her daily schedule is or Julia Roberts. As to why it would be relevant, assuming she wrote it, certainly seems to show her a certain type of person that would plan their day down to the minute and put things such as change (clothes), shower, and pretty much everything other than put one foot and from of the other. So if she were to portray herself as someone whose not big into details and thus has no idea what was going on at her company or the details, evidence like this would probably draw a picture of someone who is very much into the details and or other character qualities.

Legitimate question: why do people find this interesting and/or why is it relevant to the trial?

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rkk3 5y ago

Because her defense is "her boyfriend made her do it" and this is allegedly a schedule he made for her.

samhw 5y ago
I can definitely see her as that specific type of insecure person who chooses someone like that because they feel they deserve the punishment. It reminds me a little of Nastasya Filippovna, from the Idiot: > No, no; we'd better say good-bye and part friends. I am a bit of a dreamer myself, and I used to dream of you once. Very often during those five years down at his estate I used to dream and think, and I always imagined just such a good, honest, foolish fellow as you, one who should come and say to me: 'You are an innocent woman, Nastasia Philipovna, and I adore you.' I dreamt of you often. I used to think so much down there that I nearly went mad; and then this fellow here would come down. He would stay a couple of months out of the twelve, and disgrace and insult and deprave me, and then go; so that I longed to drown myself in the pond a thousand times over; but I did not dare do it.
FireBeyond 5y ago
The biggest challenge I have with this (because intimate partner abuse/violence is a real thing and shouldn't be lessened) is that even accounting for their secrecy, the relationship didn't develop until well after Theranos was on a path, and Holmes is claiming sexual harassment from Day 1 (or earlier, when it was "just an idea"). Who thinks repeatedly sexually harassing _your boss_, who can terminate your employment, is a move that's going to earn you career success?? There's also a lot of other evidence to say that she was quite comfortable with how things went in their relationship and at work. Similarly, through all the buildup to where we're at now, not once was this floated, until trial. Holmes was a believer, still touting that we have her and Theranos all wrong, are all luddite naysayers. Day 1 of the trial? "Actually, Sunny made me do it all". Let's not get into the sociopathic narcissism (and other apt phrases) that comes with "I just got the trial calendar for my federal court case that could see me get 20 years in jail. Oh look, in the midst of all that, I got pregnant with a due date that is just before the trial is set to wrap up". Yes, people fall in love, accidents happen, but my thoughts in this scenario have "have a kid" pretty damn far down the list of my priorities (that being said, the aforementioned narcissism and denial could genuinely have her believing "there's no way in hell anyone finds me guilty").
- rkk3 5y ago
  > the relationship didn't develop until well after Theranos was on a path It was news to me, literally, but apparently their "romantic" relationship goes back to 2002/2003. But in general I am quite skeptical of Holmes.
  - FireBeyond 5y ago
    Which I could entirely believe, despite all this. Sunny met her when he was 38 and she was in high school, heading to Stanford in 2003. So above and beyond "secret relationship with the boss", I could also see "not wanting to be seen as grooming/a groomed high school student" as a reason to keep things on the downlow.

version_five 5y ago

Yes I agree, whatever you think of her, this (sharing here notes on social media) is basically just mean gossip.

CalChris 5y ago
In her own handwriting?
FireBeyond 5y ago
Err, she and her counsel are the ones who entered this into the _public record_ specifically to (attempt to) exonerate her. There's very little "mean gossip" about it.
- version_five 5y ago
  Do you think it's being shared and discussed here because it exonerates her?
  - FireBeyond 5y ago
    I don't think it exonerates her, whether or not it was written by her, or "evidence" of Balwani's "controlling ways". I think it absolutely portrays her a way in which she wanted to be portrayed for the longest time - ultra motivated, high energy, visionary, driven. I don't necessarily think there's anything inherently wrong in calling it out as looking far more like "the notepad of someone who _wants_ to be thought of in all those ways", as much as the reality. And I say that as someone who is chronically trying to "organize" my life, and getting tripped up on the investments to that end, rather than "putting in the work". Edit: also, she doesn't get to control the narrative. "Here's evidence of how I lived my life, but you don't get to look at it or talk about it in ways other than I intended" and we are not obligated to stick to the "approved narrative".

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killingtime74 5y ago

Have you never wondered how a genius/suspected scammer spends their day? Are they just like us? Like the videos of Hitler practicing his speeches

bserge 5y ago
Of course they're "just like us". Just much more open to manipulating others into doing their bidding. Lots (most/all?) of people have this trait, but few seem to be able to use it to its full extent. I, for example, heavily prefer to do everything myself and don't bother anyone unless I have something to offer. Terrible way to live btw. I do sometimes think how great it would be to have other people do my bidding and make me rich. The reality that everyone has their own mind is what's off-putting, I would not force or manipulate anyone, I'd rather have robots do all the work instead. This seems to be a common mentality among "tech inclined" people.

heavymark 5y ago

In regards to why do people find personal insights into famous (or infamous) people's lives, I would presume that is more common than not, but of course others like yourself presumably find no such interesting in what her daily schedule is or Julia Roberts. As to why it would be relevant, assuming she wrote it, certainly seems to show her a certain type of person that would plan their day down to the minute and put things such as change (clothes), shower, and pretty much everything other than put one foot and from of the other. So if she were to portray herself as someone whose not big into details and thus has no idea what was going on at her company or the details, evidence like this would probably draw a picture of someone who is very much into the details and or other character qualities.