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Yes I agree. Not discounting it by any means but it seems like the news cycle is dominated by the new COVID variant, yet I've seen literally nothing on this tri

Yes I agree. Not discounting it by any means but it seems like the news cycle is dominated by the new COVID variant, yet I've seen literally nothing on this trial. Makes you wonder what's really going on and how deep the rot runs in this country.

mikeyouse 5y ago
This is such a silly conspiracy theory in the most pejorative sense of the term -- there are literal front page stories on CNN/NYTimes/Fox News/MSNBC.
- boredumb 5y ago
  There is definitely coverage but the fervor from the media, the usual suspects and subsequently the general public is not even remotely to the fever pitch we've seen recently. It also doesn't help that this case involves a literal conspiracy with wealthy people in power of all domains and so people defaulting to deep distrust of how it's being handled seems perfectly sound.
  - missedthecue 5y ago
    I don't think it's the media that's lacking fervor in this case. It's your social media feed.
    - yasp 5y ago
      https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?geo=US&q=%22kyle%20rittenhouse%22,%22ghislaine%20maxwell%22 https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?geo=US&q=%22kyle%20...
      - missedthecue 5y ago
        Yep. People just aren't as interested in this case. There's no culture war component. But there certainly isn't some suspicious media blackout on it. You can readily find coverage.
        mysecretaccount 5y ago
        These companies are not simply a mirror back at society. People were interested in Rittenhouse because they were told that it was important. They could have elevated one of dozens of shootings by minors last year to media sensation status if they so chose.
        missedthecue 5y ago
        The Rittenhouse incident was all over the internet the night it happened. It dominated Facebook, Reddit, and Twitter while armchair detectives scrutinized every leaked cell phone camera angle and posted their hot takes. The media didn't tell people to get interested in it.
        mysecretaccount 5y ago
        Do you think there was more genuine "early internet interest before MSM intervention" behind Rittenhouse than Ghislaine/Epstein?
    - boredumb 5y ago
      Hacker news is the only thing I use close to resembling social media. I am basing this off of people I know in real life, youtube channels and small talk before my zoom meetings. The difference in people having a position in the matter seems stark. Perhaps it's less controversial of opinion one way or the other so the rage bait isn't their to be reaped.
      - Tronno 5y ago
        HN has its own share of extremism, uninformed opinions, and misinformation, just like any other social media. The participants here are just more civil and articulate.
  - chmod600 5y ago
    The simple answer is that the trial is not partisan, and a lot of news engagement is due to partisanship. If Joe Manchin and Susan Collins teamed up to make a bipartisan death ray pointed at us from outer space, it would get less media coverage than the Rittenhouse trial, because bipartisan stuff is not engaging news.
  - datavirtue 5y ago
    Yeah. Bill Gates just got divorced over this. Judy Woodruff, probably deeply disturbed that Bill was able to get a spot on the New Hour because he is a major donor to the News Hour (and PBS), used the opportunity to corner him with questions about Epstein at the end of the segment (he was talking about curing Malaria and general pandemic preparedness) and she tied it to his recent divorce. He pretty much locked up and went into politician mode punctuated by a goofy, nerdy loss of words. I was not expecting it at all and was completely slack jawed the whole time. I had a lot of respect for Bill and Melinda, still do but this was deeply disappointing to me.
    - jacquesm 5y ago
      > I had a lot of respect for Bill That was your mistake right there. Bill Gates has been a criminal for longer than I can clearly remember, the only thing that kept his company from being split up was his political connections. Bill Gates did not deserve anybody's respect past the point where he started to use his wealth to buy access and cover for his misdeeds. And make no mistake: the rot that this caused has never really left Microsoft, it has only caused it to get smarter about how it presents itself.
      - datavirtue 5y ago
        The respect was from Bill and Melinda's tireless philanthropic work.
        jacquesm 5y ago
        I see that whole philanthropic work as a giant white-wash operation. And: it's working. But if you first commit a series of crimes to amass a great fortune and then you go around playing Santaclaus I am not going to be one of those easily swayed to move you to the 'good' column. The origin of your wealth matters as much if not more than what you do with it.
  - Apaec 5y ago
    Wait, you're supposed to stop any discussion whenever someone mentions the words "conspiracy theory".
- mysecretaccount 5y ago
  There are stories on all of those sites about this trial, no doubt, though the article is not prominent (with the exception of CNN). That said, it is hardly a conspiracy theory to point out that the media has a disincentive to give this story the attention it deserves because of the amount of prominent figures implicated. Amy Robach of ABC even claimed that they squashed the story initially because they were worried that covering it would impact their ability to air the Harry/Markle wedding. Edit: Not sure why I am being downvoted for pointing this out, but if anyone thinks this is baseless or conspiratorial: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amy_Robach#Jeffrey_Epstein_story https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amy_Robach#Jeffrey_Epstein_sto...
- spacelamb 5y ago
  You're correct, though I have to say as someone who reads the Financial Times and The Economist, I haven't seen any headlines today; this is the first time I've heard of the news. I don't expect conspiracy, though; it's far more likely that the Omicron variant is far more relevant to markets. The FT also did publish two stories on Ghislaine Maxwell about 23-24 hours ago, but it's fair to say that the paper isn't emphasizing the story (by comparison, the Theranos Elizabeth Holmes trial had a story on the front page this morning).
  - sumedh 5y ago
    > (by comparison, the Theranos Elizabeth Holmes trial had a story on the front page this morning). probably because its directly related to finance?
    - boredumb 5y ago
      To be fair Epstein was literally a financier.
      - dbuder 5y ago
        Unproven claim
        stonogo 5y ago
        No, it's pretty well established. He's run a registered investment bank and was a prolific philanthropist.
  - mikeyouse 5y ago
    It's the ~3rd most popular story on FTs US coverage right now.. https://www.ft.com/content/f58cc9df-98d3-4f11-9d24-e2c4e059b797 https://www.ft.com/content/f58cc9df-98d3-4f11-9d24-e2c4e059b...
    - spacelamb 5y ago
- CoolGuySteve 5y ago
  A cover up of some sort really did happen if you believe the hot mic rant of Amy Robach that was recorded by ABC News: https://www.the-sun.com/news/27431/abc-news-host-amy-robach-claims-network-refused-to-air-her-jeffrey-epstein-expose-for-fear-of-upsetting-royals/ https://www.the-sun.com/news/27431/abc-news-host-amy-robach-... Even now, that leak is mostly reported by unreliable sources like The Sun above and Project Veritas rather than more established news organizations despite the video's apparent legitimacy.
  - mikeyouse 5y ago
    The cover-up in question was pretty plainly a news org not wanting to get sued by incredibly litigious participants (namely Dersh and Prince Andrew).. It's insane to me that people think a Clinton sex scandal wouldn't get covered because of some mysterious reasons.. Were none of you alive during Watergate? The accusations against Epstein (and association with Trump/Clinton/Dersh/Prince Andrew/etc) have been reported for like 15 years now but for whatever reason it took the Miami Herald's reporting in 2019 to break through..
nikcub 5y ago
The NYTimes has a live blog - it was only pushed below the fold on the front page because of the school shooting: https://www.nytimes.com/live/2021/11/30/nyregion/ghislaine-maxwell-trial https://www.nytimes.com/live/2021/11/30/nyregion/ghislaine-m... It's also the main headline on the frontpage of the BBC atm: https://www.bbc.com/news https://www.bbc.com/news Some people are mistaking not reading with it not being covered.
- mysecretaccount 5y ago
  > it was only pushed below the fold on the front page because of the school shooting Is this known or a guess? Reading Manufacturing Consent (as well as @nyt_diff) has led me to believe that we should not jump to come up with charitable excuses for why media does not cover stories in the way we think they should.
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- PragmaticPulp 5y ago
  The story has been on the front page of every news website I've checked today. Loading a few of the usual news sites shows it's still near the top, although the tragic school shooting is obviously the higher priority news story right now. But you're right: The topic of discussion all over Twitter and Reddit is about the lack of mainstream news coverage, which is such a weird claim to make when it can be disproven with 60 seconds of loading any news website.
  - nwienert 5y ago
    Checked to see: - NYT has one 100px tall box, 4 pages below the fold - WaPo has coronavirus, acai bowls, Biden, Sydney Powell above fold, Ghislaine 2 pages down - CNN I don't see Maxwell or Ghislaine anywhere but one Epstein box bottom 1st page - Fox has two boxes, both below fold
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carabiner 5y ago
In an alternate timeline: Why is the media reporting so much on this Maxwell trial that has no material importance to society at large? Meanwhile, they're burying the new COVID variant that is killing people. Guess they're distracting us from a public health issue with a salacious scandal of the week.
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mikeyouse 5y ago

This is such a silly conspiracy theory in the most pejorative sense of the term -- there are literal front page stories on CNN/NYTimes/Fox News/MSNBC.

boredumb 5y ago
There is definitely coverage but the fervor from the media, the usual suspects and subsequently the general public is not even remotely to the fever pitch we've seen recently. It also doesn't help that this case involves a literal conspiracy with wealthy people in power of all domains and so people defaulting to deep distrust of how it's being handled seems perfectly sound.
- missedthecue 5y ago
  I don't think it's the media that's lacking fervor in this case. It's your social media feed.
  - yasp 5y ago
    https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?geo=US&q=%22kyle%20rittenhouse%22,%22ghislaine%20maxwell%22 https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?geo=US&q=%22kyle%20...
    - missedthecue 5y ago
      Yep. People just aren't as interested in this case. There's no culture war component. But there certainly isn't some suspicious media blackout on it. You can readily find coverage.
      - mysecretaccount 5y ago
        These companies are not simply a mirror back at society. People were interested in Rittenhouse because they were told that it was important. They could have elevated one of dozens of shootings by minors last year to media sensation status if they so chose.
        missedthecue 5y ago
        The Rittenhouse incident was all over the internet the night it happened. It dominated Facebook, Reddit, and Twitter while armchair detectives scrutinized every leaked cell phone camera angle and posted their hot takes. The media didn't tell people to get interested in it.
        mysecretaccount 5y ago
        Do you think there was more genuine "early internet interest before MSM intervention" behind Rittenhouse than Ghislaine/Epstein?
  - boredumb 5y ago
    Hacker news is the only thing I use close to resembling social media. I am basing this off of people I know in real life, youtube channels and small talk before my zoom meetings. The difference in people having a position in the matter seems stark. Perhaps it's less controversial of opinion one way or the other so the rage bait isn't their to be reaped.
    - Tronno 5y ago
      HN has its own share of extremism, uninformed opinions, and misinformation, just like any other social media. The participants here are just more civil and articulate.
- chmod600 5y ago
  The simple answer is that the trial is not partisan, and a lot of news engagement is due to partisanship. If Joe Manchin and Susan Collins teamed up to make a bipartisan death ray pointed at us from outer space, it would get less media coverage than the Rittenhouse trial, because bipartisan stuff is not engaging news.
- datavirtue 5y ago
  Yeah. Bill Gates just got divorced over this. Judy Woodruff, probably deeply disturbed that Bill was able to get a spot on the New Hour because he is a major donor to the News Hour (and PBS), used the opportunity to corner him with questions about Epstein at the end of the segment (he was talking about curing Malaria and general pandemic preparedness) and she tied it to his recent divorce. He pretty much locked up and went into politician mode punctuated by a goofy, nerdy loss of words. I was not expecting it at all and was completely slack jawed the whole time. I had a lot of respect for Bill and Melinda, still do but this was deeply disappointing to me.
  - jacquesm 5y ago
    > I had a lot of respect for Bill That was your mistake right there. Bill Gates has been a criminal for longer than I can clearly remember, the only thing that kept his company from being split up was his political connections. Bill Gates did not deserve anybody's respect past the point where he started to use his wealth to buy access and cover for his misdeeds. And make no mistake: the rot that this caused has never really left Microsoft, it has only caused it to get smarter about how it presents itself.
    - datavirtue 5y ago
      The respect was from Bill and Melinda's tireless philanthropic work.
      - jacquesm 5y ago
        I see that whole philanthropic work as a giant white-wash operation. And: it's working. But if you first commit a series of crimes to amass a great fortune and then you go around playing Santaclaus I am not going to be one of those easily swayed to move you to the 'good' column. The origin of your wealth matters as much if not more than what you do with it.
- Apaec 5y ago
  Wait, you're supposed to stop any discussion whenever someone mentions the words "conspiracy theory".
mysecretaccount 5y ago
There are stories on all of those sites about this trial, no doubt, though the article is not prominent (with the exception of CNN). That said, it is hardly a conspiracy theory to point out that the media has a disincentive to give this story the attention it deserves because of the amount of prominent figures implicated. Amy Robach of ABC even claimed that they squashed the story initially because they were worried that covering it would impact their ability to air the Harry/Markle wedding. Edit: Not sure why I am being downvoted for pointing this out, but if anyone thinks this is baseless or conspiratorial: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amy_Robach#Jeffrey_Epstein_story https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amy_Robach#Jeffrey_Epstein_sto...
spacelamb 5y ago
You're correct, though I have to say as someone who reads the Financial Times and The Economist, I haven't seen any headlines today; this is the first time I've heard of the news. I don't expect conspiracy, though; it's far more likely that the Omicron variant is far more relevant to markets. The FT also did publish two stories on Ghislaine Maxwell about 23-24 hours ago, but it's fair to say that the paper isn't emphasizing the story (by comparison, the Theranos Elizabeth Holmes trial had a story on the front page this morning).
- sumedh 5y ago
  > (by comparison, the Theranos Elizabeth Holmes trial had a story on the front page this morning). probably because its directly related to finance?
  - boredumb 5y ago
    To be fair Epstein was literally a financier.
    - dbuder 5y ago
      Unproven claim
      - stonogo 5y ago
        No, it's pretty well established. He's run a registered investment bank and was a prolific philanthropist.
- mikeyouse 5y ago
  It's the ~3rd most popular story on FTs US coverage right now.. https://www.ft.com/content/f58cc9df-98d3-4f11-9d24-e2c4e059b797 https://www.ft.com/content/f58cc9df-98d3-4f11-9d24-e2c4e059b...
  - spacelamb 5y ago
CoolGuySteve 5y ago
A cover up of some sort really did happen if you believe the hot mic rant of Amy Robach that was recorded by ABC News: https://www.the-sun.com/news/27431/abc-news-host-amy-robach-claims-network-refused-to-air-her-jeffrey-epstein-expose-for-fear-of-upsetting-royals/ https://www.the-sun.com/news/27431/abc-news-host-amy-robach-... Even now, that leak is mostly reported by unreliable sources like The Sun above and Project Veritas rather than more established news organizations despite the video's apparent legitimacy.
- mikeyouse 5y ago
  The cover-up in question was pretty plainly a news org not wanting to get sued by incredibly litigious participants (namely Dersh and Prince Andrew).. It's insane to me that people think a Clinton sex scandal wouldn't get covered because of some mysterious reasons.. Were none of you alive during Watergate? The accusations against Epstein (and association with Trump/Clinton/Dersh/Prince Andrew/etc) have been reported for like 15 years now but for whatever reason it took the Miami Herald's reporting in 2019 to break through..

nikcub 5y ago

The NYTimes has a live blog - it was only pushed below the fold on the front page because of the school shooting: https://www.nytimes.com/live/2021/11/30/nyregion/ghislaine-maxwell-trial https://www.nytimes.com/live/2021/11/30/nyregion/ghislaine-m... It's also the main headline on the frontpage of the BBC atm: https://www.bbc.com/news https://www.bbc.com/news Some people are mistaking not reading with it not being covered.

mysecretaccount 5y ago
> it was only pushed below the fold on the front page because of the school shooting Is this known or a guess? Reading Manufacturing Consent (as well as @nyt_diff) has led me to believe that we should not jump to come up with charitable excuses for why media does not cover stories in the way we think they should.
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PragmaticPulp 5y ago
The story has been on the front page of every news website I've checked today. Loading a few of the usual news sites shows it's still near the top, although the tragic school shooting is obviously the higher priority news story right now. But you're right: The topic of discussion all over Twitter and Reddit is about the lack of mainstream news coverage, which is such a weird claim to make when it can be disproven with 60 seconds of loading any news website.
- nwienert 5y ago
  Checked to see: - NYT has one 100px tall box, 4 pages below the fold - WaPo has coronavirus, acai bowls, Biden, Sydney Powell above fold, Ghislaine 2 pages down - CNN I don't see Maxwell or Ghislaine anywhere but one Epstein box bottom 1st page - Fox has two boxes, both below fold
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carabiner 5y ago

In an alternate timeline: Why is the media reporting so much on this Maxwell trial that has no material importance to society at large? Meanwhile, they're burying the new COVID variant that is killing people. Guess they're distracting us from a public health issue with a salacious scandal of the week.

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