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Searchable flight logs from Jeffrey Epstein’s plane
- boredumb 5y agoCool project. Reminds me how peculiar it is that I had to endure rittenhouse and floyd trials livestreaming and analyzed by herds of talking heads and yet I don't even think they have a feed into ghislaine maxwells' trial that is now under way.
- user-the-name 5y agoApparently it is not legal for a federal case.
- robbiex88 5y agoWas the Rittenhouse circus _not_ a federal case though?
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- smcameron 5y agoIt was not. It was a state case.
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- eganist 5y ago> Was the Rittenhouse circus _not_ a federal case though? It literally wasn't. It was tried under Wisconsin jurisdiction. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kenosha_unrest_shooting#Rittenhouse_trial https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kenosha_unrest_shooting#Ritten...
- robbiex88 5y agoYou're absolutely right, please forgive my ignorance on the matter and thanks for clarifying!
- huntertwo 5y agoIt was not, it was a state case.
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- firebird84 5y agoNo, it was not.
- loeg 5y agoRittenhouse was tried in a Wisconsin state court.
- prohobo 5y agoI don't understand why HN users downvote questions (they don't like). This one should just have a simple yes or no response and 1 point.
- Invictus0 5y agoBecause it takes 2 seconds to Google the answer
- waych 5y agoGoogle makes a business about what you see in those first two seconds. It's bad practice to give-in to the algorithm the way you are suggesting. Just as bad as only reading the headlines.
- Eelongate 5y agoI practice general search engine avoidance; I don't use a general search engine (google, bing, duck, yandex, etc) if I believe a more specialized search engine will give me what I am looking for. In this circumstance, it's easy to figure out what sort of trial Rittenhouse got by searching for Rittenhouse on Wikipedia directly. With my search keyword for Wikipedia, I can search "wiki rittenhouse" and it takes me to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rittenhouse https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rittenhouse which in turn leads me to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kenosha_unrest_shooting https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kenosha_unrest_shooting That page clearly states "Under Wisconsin state law, Rittenhouse was charged as an adult with the following crimes: ..."
- boredumb 5y agoThanks, I didn't know this.
- robbiex88 5y agoYes I agree. Not discounting it by any means but it seems like the news cycle is dominated by the new COVID variant, yet I've seen literally nothing on this trial. Makes you wonder what's really going on and how deep the rot runs in this country.
- mikeyouse 5y agoThis is such a silly conspiracy theory in the most pejorative sense of the term -- there are literal front page stories on CNN/NYTimes/Fox News/MSNBC.
- boredumb 5y agoThere is definitely coverage but the fervor from the media, the usual suspects and subsequently the general public is not even remotely to the fever pitch we've seen recently. It also doesn't help that this case involves a literal conspiracy with wealthy people in power of all domains and so people defaulting to deep distrust of how it's being handled seems perfectly sound.
- missedthecue 5y agoI don't think it's the media that's lacking fervor in this case. It's your social media feed.
- yasp 5y agohttps://trends.google.com/trends/explore?geo=US&q=%22kyle%20rittenhouse%22,%22ghislaine%20maxwell%22 https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?geo=US&q=%22kyle%20...
- missedthecue 5y agoYep. People just aren't as interested in this case. There's no culture war component. But there certainly isn't some suspicious media blackout on it. You can readily find coverage.
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- rpmisms 5y agoIt's really a shame. The Rittenhouse trial was fascinating and educational, this trial likely wouldn't be as educational, but the information should be out in the open. If you're interested in learning more about the Rittenhouse trial, Rekieta Law on youtube is a lawyer who had a panel of lawyers analyze the case live with him. Absolutely awesome to get live strategic analysis on a criminal trial.
- tinyhouse 5y agoMost of it was pretty predictable, not fascinating unless you're talking about the political aspect. For example, the dude who was shot in the arm testified and everyone was like "big win for Rittenhouse, he admitted he got shot only after he pointed a gun at Rittenhouse". Really? you have a video of the entire incident, do you need a testimony to figure it out? The one bit that was interesting though is how the shooting of Rosenbaum would be interpreted, as the video wasn't that good and it wasn't clear if self defense would qualify. But I kind of knew from the beginning after watching the videos that it's very unlikely the jury would claim it wasn't justified self defense beyond a reasonable doubt. I think without the political aspect it would've been a short and predictable trail. It's funny to me how much build up and cross interviews for an incident that was captured almost fully on video.
- datavirtue 5y agoThe prosecutor had to prove beyond reasonable doubt that it was NOT self defense. Good luck proving a subjective negative. After I learned that particular I just awaited the official aquittal.
- alasdair_ 5y agoI thought that "self defense" was something you had to prove yourself, where you've admitted to committing a crime (killing someone) but that you had a specific circumstance that mitigated the charge. I assumed it was similar to a "not guilty by reason of insanity" plea, where you admit you committed a crime but there are special circumstances (that you have to prove) that mitigate it. You can't just stay silent the entire time and force the prosecutor to prove you were insane - you have to actually provide some evidence you were insane. Is this not true?
- PeterisP 5y agoNot from USA, but it seems quite common and reasonable that any trials of sex crimes (and especially sex crimes against minors) would be closed, if for no other reason than to protect the victims.
- kredd 5y agoI would say this trial isn't as polarizing, so we don't get social media fights between two groups of people. That's, after all, type of an engagement that boosts the trial's virality.
- gremloni 5y agoEpstein did nothing wrong.
- vorpalhex 5y agoI wish they would make the digitized data accessible for download. It would be interesting to pop this into a graph database.
- epsteinflights 5y agoEmail admin@epstein.flights and I'll give you the CSV I built the database from.
- axolotl92 5y agoall the data in JSON https://ghostbin.com/pvOpC https://ghostbin.com/pvOpC and CSV https://ghostbin.com/0AUFe https://ghostbin.com/0AUFe
- simonw 5y agoI poked around and this is running off a GraphQL endpoint at https://api.epstein.flights/ https://api.epstein.flights/ - I pointed the GraphiQL desktop app at it and the following query returned some interesting data: { passengers { pageInfo { count } edges { __typename ... on VerifiedPassenger { id slug name biography wikipedia_link flightCount image histogram { month count } } ... on LiteralPassenger { literal } } } }
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- epsteinflights 5y agoYep, it's all GraphQL - I built the site a few years ago to play around with Apollo and AWS's serverless GraphQL offering and then it kind of snowballed from there.
- tylergetsay 5y agoWhat's this cost to host?
- epsteinflights 5y agoNot much - I made all GraphQL requests GETs and cached them in CloudFront, which has some drawbacks but is pretty effective at keeping costs down because it allows Aurora to scale to zero as long as every request is in cache. The last week has been interesting (60,000 page views) and if things continue at that scale (doubtful) I might be looking at $60/month, mostly in Aurora costs. Most other months of the year had less than 100 page views total, nearly all cached, and it cost under $3 to run for the whole month.
- SixDouble5321 5y agoAppSync is a hell of a drug.
- bloopernova 5y agoIs there a way to verify that all the flight log is searched? i.e. no strategic omissions?
- paulgb 5y agoIt isn't (yet) all the flight log data: > This entry does not appear on the website because it is included in the second group of records (described above), which are not yet completely digitized. This is not a political or editorial choice, we simply have not had time to add the logs from this release yet. But I suppose the only way is to check the linked DocumentCloud documents, if you assume that the flight logs that came out through court discovery are reliable. https://epstein.flights/about https://epstein.flights/about
- adtac 5y agoClearly, the only solution is to put flight logs on the blockchain
- kwertyoowiyop 5y agoCan we mint some NFTs? Bored Billionaires Yacht Club?
- simondotau 5y agoI assume you're joking, but Poe's Law is a devilish thing. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poe%27s_law https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poe%27s_law
- etc-hosts 5y agoepstein.flights says their data is from: "The original PDF source for the data comes from documents revealed during two court cases: Epstein v. Edwards Giuffre v. Maxwell " if you search for "Forester" in Epstein.flights (for Lynn Forester de Rothschild) https://epstein.flights/search/Forester https://epstein.flights/search/Forester you get 2 hits https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FFe3fFyVUAABDEE?format=png&name=small https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FFe3fFyVUAABDEE?format=png&name=... Business Insider recently claimed they got more flight data https://www.businessinsider.com/faa-accidentally-released-jeffrey-epsteins-flight-records-2021-10 https://www.businessinsider.com/faa-accidentally-released-je... "The FAA accidentally disclosed more than 2,000 flight records associated with Jeffrey Epstein's private jets" If you search for Forester in this allegedly more complete dump, you get 4 more hits: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FFe2ig4VUAEqzad?format=jpg&name=medium https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FFe2ig4VUAEqzad?format=jpg&name=...
- alex_young 5y agoSome of these flights are pretty out there. There are several with Bill Clinton, Kevin Spacey, Chris Tucker, Epstein, Maxwell, and a bunch of other people literally jumping from continent to continent, dropping people off and then picking them back up on subsequent flights. https://epstein.flights/flight/124 https://epstein.flights/flight/124
- prohobo 5y agoWell, when you think about it - it makes total sense. I imagine it felt like true freedom for them being 30000ft in the air with no one to barge in or stop them from doing what they wanted. The flight destinations were just pretense.
- dustintrex 5y agoWhich is totally why you'd fly from straightlaced Singapore to teetotaling Brunei with the ex-President of the USA on board -- so convenient and inconspicuous!
- V__ 5y agoYou can think of Bill Clinton all you want, but do you think he would be stupid enough to do it with Secret Service on board and basically watching him? Not one flight mentions him before his presidency.
- secabeen 5y agoYup, especially when Seecret Service agents are compelled to report illegal acts: https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/politics/1998/05/23/congress-imposed-a-duty-to-report-criminal-activity/32cabc28-0903-4698-ae76-c59bc0962566/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/politics/1998/05/23/c...
- prohobo 5y agoAre you saying Bill Clinton was able to hide his diddling of teenagers from the Secret Service this whole time? Like, they just found out when we did?
- el_nahual 5y agoHow about a LinkedIn integration that cross-references your contacts with the flight logs. That would be interesting.
- glaucon 5y agoLooking at these logs is it reasonable to comment that up until 2005 if you were offered a lift by Jeffrey you wouldn't think "oh, but he's a sexual predator !" ? That up until that date the only public information on poor behaviour by him was the sort of financial sleaze that people in his position usually have in their backgrounds ? I'm only going off a quick Wikipedia read but if it's true I think it's worth saying because there are a number of "famous" people who got their rides in the jet well before that date. Not wishing to make a case for sleaze balls but interested in truth as well.
- literallyaduck 5y agohttps://epstein.flights/flight/57 https://epstein.flights/flight/57 Naomi Campbell and Clinton on the same flight. I bet that was an interesting flight.
- mikeyouse 5y agoNaomi was dating Clinton's advisor Doug Band (or potentially Clinton himself?) at the time.. https://www.vogue.co.uk/article/naomis-clinton-connection https://www.vogue.co.uk/article/naomis-clinton-connection
- spookthesunset 5y agoIt would be cool to have a page that simply listed all the people who are in the DB and let you click to their flights. An index, so to speak.
- mlindner 5y agoThe obsession with a dead horrible person on the internet is frankly ridiculous. People seem to be unable to not keep talking about him and whoever he ever talked to.
- reducesuffering 5y agoThere are many dead horrible people. There are very few that have connections to the most powerful people and died mysteriously under intense supervision with videos malfunctioning and guards avoiding their duties.
- polartx 5y ago“The obsession“ is over the still yet living patrons/associates/partakers of this particular “dead horrible person”. And the intrigue that, perhaps finally, the wealthy elite may face actual consequences to the morally bankrupt behavior they exhibit.
- epsteinflights 5y agoHey - creator and admin of the site here. Didn't ever expect to see this on HN! I built this about two years ago - looks like it's picking up some traffic this week due to the new trial. Happy to answer any questions. (Account is new because I don't want this project associated with my regular account and my professional portfolio. Shoot me an email at the address on the site if you'd like me to confirm I'm the admin.)
- tzs 5y ago> Shoot me an email at the address on the site if you'd like me to confirm I'm the admin Why not cut out the email step and just add to the "contact" section on the about page a note that you are also on HN as 'epsteinflights'? People who want to take you up on your verification offer are going to have to go to the "contact" section on the about page anyway to get the email address, so might as well take care of the verification right there.
- epsteinflights 5y agoSure, done.
- themantra514 5y agoRelevant:Epstein's Little Black Book https://epsteinsblackbook.com https://epsteinsblackbook.com
- epsteinflights 5y agoBusiness Insider also made searchable versions of both the black book[1] and the flight logs[2] - they're done to a much more professional standard than my buggy little side project is, but they're both unfortunately behind a paywall. [1]: https://www.businessinsider.com/search-jeffrey-epsteins-little-black-book-for-the-first-time-2020-7 https://www.businessinsider.com/search-jeffrey-epsteins-litt... [2]: https://www.businessinsider.com/every-flight-made-by-jeffrey-epsteins-private-jets-2020-7 https://www.businessinsider.com/every-flight-made-by-jeffrey...
- guender 5y agoVoyeurism galore!