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Where are Google and Azure with ARM instances? It's been nothing but crickets for years now... this is starting to get silly that their customers can't at leas

Where are Google and Azure with ARM instances? It's been nothing but crickets for years now... this is starting to get silly that their customers can't at least start getting workloads on a different architecture, nevermind get better performance per dollar, etc. too. The silence is deafening.

baybal2 5y ago
> Where are Google and Azure with ARM instances? I think they are bound by long term supply agreements with Intel. They will just bargain for better prices with Intel. Not an easy task it will be, given that Intel is capacity jammed.
lostmsu 5y ago
Funnily, IBM offers ARM instances. Even on free tier.
- tyingq 5y ago
  Same for Oracle.
  - lostmsu 5y ago
    I am sorry, I was wrong. I actually meant Oracle. I don't see any ARM options in IBM cloud.
- Uehreka 5y ago
  Doesn’t IBM also offer a bunch of weird architectures that can’t be found anywhere else? One day I was looking up some old PowerPC and s390 architectures that are supported by a lot of docker images, trying to figure out why anyone would want them, and it appears the answer is that they’re used in IBM mainframes.
  - oblio 5y ago
    IBM had computer architectures before there were computer architectures, so it's not exactly a fair comparison :-p
ksec 5y ago
>The silence is deafening Remember Amazon brought Annapurna Labs in 2015. And only released their first Graviton instances in 2018. The lead time for a Server CPU product is at least a year even when you have blueprints. That is ignoring fab capacity booking and many other things like testing. And without scale ( AWS is bigger than GCP and Azure combined ) it is hard to gain competitive advantage ( which often delays management decision making ). I think you should see Azure and GCP ARM offering in late 2022. Marvel's exit statement on ARM server SoC pretty much all but confirmed Google and Microsoft are working on their own ARM offering.
- pdelgallego 5y ago
  And if I recall correctly, AWS needed to develop Nitro before offering Graviton.
- baybal2 5y ago
  > And without scale ( AWS is bigger than GCP and Azure combined ) Azure cloud is bigger than AWS https://cloudwars.co/microsoft/microsoft-q2-cloud-revenue-still-bigger-than-amazon-google-cloud/#:~:text=Microsoft%20%2419.5%20billion%2C%20up%2036,AWS%20%2B%20Google%20Cloud%20%3D%20%2419.44%20billion https://cloudwars.co/microsoft/microsoft-q2-cloud-revenue-st... In terms of physical servers. I believe Chinese cloud providers, and their monster CNDs (China has terribly slow Internet, and superlocal CDNs are the only way out there) overtook AWS quite a few years ago.
  - lostmsu 5y ago
    Revenue != compute resources. That revenue includes Office Online subscriptions AFAIK as a way to game the marketing.
    - lmickh 5y ago
      There is also the common practice of not including discounts in revenue. There is a reason companies talk about revenue instead of net sales or net income. I've never seen AWS give discounts comparable to what Azure provided. Especially to larger companies they want the brand recognition from.
MangoCoffee 5y ago
https://interestingengineering.com/microsoft-will-build-advanced-chips-for-the-us-military https://interestingengineering.com/microsoft-will-build-adva... "The second phase will see these entities develop custom integrated chips and System on a Chip (SoC) with "lower power consumption, improved performance, reduced physical size, and improved reliability for application in DoD systems." maybe its coming?
arm_throwaway 5y ago
If you're a Google employee search for Conan/Xena/Maple/Cedar

baybal2 5y ago

> Where are Google and Azure with ARM instances? I think they are bound by long term supply agreements with Intel. They will just bargain for better prices with Intel. Not an easy task it will be, given that Intel is capacity jammed.

lostmsu 5y ago

Funnily, IBM offers ARM instances. Even on free tier.

tyingq 5y ago
Same for Oracle.
- lostmsu 5y ago
  I am sorry, I was wrong. I actually meant Oracle. I don't see any ARM options in IBM cloud.
Uehreka 5y ago
Doesn’t IBM also offer a bunch of weird architectures that can’t be found anywhere else? One day I was looking up some old PowerPC and s390 architectures that are supported by a lot of docker images, trying to figure out why anyone would want them, and it appears the answer is that they’re used in IBM mainframes.
- oblio 5y ago
  IBM had computer architectures before there were computer architectures, so it's not exactly a fair comparison :-p

ksec 5y ago

>The silence is deafening Remember Amazon brought Annapurna Labs in 2015. And only released their first Graviton instances in 2018. The lead time for a Server CPU product is at least a year even when you have blueprints. That is ignoring fab capacity booking and many other things like testing. And without scale ( AWS is bigger than GCP and Azure combined ) it is hard to gain competitive advantage ( which often delays management decision making ). I think you should see Azure and GCP ARM offering in late 2022. Marvel's exit statement on ARM server SoC pretty much all but confirmed Google and Microsoft are working on their own ARM offering.

pdelgallego 5y ago
And if I recall correctly, AWS needed to develop Nitro before offering Graviton.
baybal2 5y ago
> And without scale ( AWS is bigger than GCP and Azure combined ) Azure cloud is bigger than AWS https://cloudwars.co/microsoft/microsoft-q2-cloud-revenue-still-bigger-than-amazon-google-cloud/#:~:text=Microsoft%20%2419.5%20billion%2C%20up%2036,AWS%20%2B%20Google%20Cloud%20%3D%20%2419.44%20billion https://cloudwars.co/microsoft/microsoft-q2-cloud-revenue-st... In terms of physical servers. I believe Chinese cloud providers, and their monster CNDs (China has terribly slow Internet, and superlocal CDNs are the only way out there) overtook AWS quite a few years ago.
- lostmsu 5y ago
  Revenue != compute resources. That revenue includes Office Online subscriptions AFAIK as a way to game the marketing.
  - lmickh 5y ago
    There is also the common practice of not including discounts in revenue. There is a reason companies talk about revenue instead of net sales or net income. I've never seen AWS give discounts comparable to what Azure provided. Especially to larger companies they want the brand recognition from.

MangoCoffee 5y ago

https://interestingengineering.com/microsoft-will-build-advanced-chips-for-the-us-military https://interestingengineering.com/microsoft-will-build-adva... "The second phase will see these entities develop custom integrated chips and System on a Chip (SoC) with "lower power consumption, improved performance, reduced physical size, and improved reliability for application in DoD systems." maybe its coming?

arm_throwaway 5y ago

If you're a Google employee search for Conan/Xena/Maple/Cedar