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I never said it wasn't serious; but I'm also pro-choice. We know nothing about the long term effects of this vaccine, or how it will affect our bodies when it

by xil3 5y ago

I never said it wasn't serious; but I'm also pro-choice. We know nothing about the long term effects of this vaccine, or how it will affect our bodies when it comes to dependencies. I understand that millions have taken it, but that still doesn't show me any long term tests. So I'm selfish because I want to protect myself and my family from something that I don't trust? I'm not anti-vax - we have all our shots. If after say 5 years, it turns out that there are no long term side effects, then I'm fine taking the vaccine.

mtmail 5y ago
Another user has answered those concerns last time it came up https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29206305 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29206305
- xil3 5y ago
  Yeah, I read all of that. We still have no definitive proof of what will happen in the next 5-10 years to people that have taken the vaccine. Just because someone said that there is nothing that can happen based on the science, doesn't mean it's definitive - it's just conjecture.
  - kjaftaedi 5y ago
    I get your point, but to uproot your entire family and existence over this is quite a stretch. Nobody wants the vaccine, but we take it not for ourselves, but our friends, families, co-workers and people in our community. The whole "I don't want the vaccine because I don't know what's in it" is a largely American theme that you find less in the rest of the developed world where people are more focused on the health of the community. You want to move away to establish yourself in another community, but do not want to participate in the well-being of that community. If this is where your heart is at you might do better to join some off the grid, eco living type community. It will give you more of what you are looking for.
- bananabiscuit 5y ago
  Not sure if “straw man” is appropriate here but the answers from that user are on the verge of patronizing for sure.
uberman 5y ago
If you don't trust mRNA vaccines despite a decade of delivery history and almost 50 years of research, then why are you not taking the J&J vaccine? It is a traditional platform and there are almost 90 years of history of large scale flu vaccinations using the same techniques. How long do you plan to wait to get a 5g phone, or do you have one already and are just going to accept that it is safe because experts have told you so? If you have a 5g phone blasting "unstudied radiation into your brain" how is that any different?
- xil3 5y ago
  I don't really care about the 5g phones. The difference is that I can choose not to buy them, and it won't affect my life at all.
  - uberman 5y ago
    The point about the 5g phones was that like mRNA shots it is "new tech" that some people trust and use while other people fear. I would have thought that a cautious person like yourself would have waited a decade before accepting that they were safe. Setting the phone thing aside though... What is stopping you from taking the J&J vaccine then? It is manufactured with traditional processes and is the kind flu shot that has been around for 90 years. I see though from your comment that what might be the root of it is that you resent the mandate. I'll remind you that you have taken many shots much more required than this one. Like many countries, You can't get educated in Canada without a battery of them. They are part of a legally mandated social contract that people (like it or not) will man up and be vaccinated, not just for themselves, but for the good of the nation. Is that not the very definition of a patriot and first class citizen?
- bigyellow 5y ago
  What's going to happen the day you meet someone who doesn't want the vaccine or a 5G phone? Is your brain just going to combust, or something? Are you okay?
  - uberman 5y ago
moistly 5y ago
> We know nothing about the long term effects of this vaccine Or of the virus. Tho we do know the virus screws with a lot of important cellular functions in the short term.

by xil3 5y ago

mtmail 5y ago

Another user has answered those concerns last time it came up https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29206305 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29206305

xil3 5y ago
Yeah, I read all of that. We still have no definitive proof of what will happen in the next 5-10 years to people that have taken the vaccine. Just because someone said that there is nothing that can happen based on the science, doesn't mean it's definitive - it's just conjecture.
- kjaftaedi 5y ago
  I get your point, but to uproot your entire family and existence over this is quite a stretch. Nobody wants the vaccine, but we take it not for ourselves, but our friends, families, co-workers and people in our community. The whole "I don't want the vaccine because I don't know what's in it" is a largely American theme that you find less in the rest of the developed world where people are more focused on the health of the community. You want to move away to establish yourself in another community, but do not want to participate in the well-being of that community. If this is where your heart is at you might do better to join some off the grid, eco living type community. It will give you more of what you are looking for.
bananabiscuit 5y ago
Not sure if “straw man” is appropriate here but the answers from that user are on the verge of patronizing for sure.

uberman 5y ago

If you don't trust mRNA vaccines despite a decade of delivery history and almost 50 years of research, then why are you not taking the J&J vaccine? It is a traditional platform and there are almost 90 years of history of large scale flu vaccinations using the same techniques. How long do you plan to wait to get a 5g phone, or do you have one already and are just going to accept that it is safe because experts have told you so? If you have a 5g phone blasting "unstudied radiation into your brain" how is that any different?

xil3 5y ago
I don't really care about the 5g phones. The difference is that I can choose not to buy them, and it won't affect my life at all.
- uberman 5y ago
  The point about the 5g phones was that like mRNA shots it is "new tech" that some people trust and use while other people fear. I would have thought that a cautious person like yourself would have waited a decade before accepting that they were safe. Setting the phone thing aside though... What is stopping you from taking the J&J vaccine then? It is manufactured with traditional processes and is the kind flu shot that has been around for 90 years. I see though from your comment that what might be the root of it is that you resent the mandate. I'll remind you that you have taken many shots much more required than this one. Like many countries, You can't get educated in Canada without a battery of them. They are part of a legally mandated social contract that people (like it or not) will man up and be vaccinated, not just for themselves, but for the good of the nation. Is that not the very definition of a patriot and first class citizen?
bigyellow 5y ago
What's going to happen the day you meet someone who doesn't want the vaccine or a 5G phone? Is your brain just going to combust, or something? Are you okay?
- uberman 5y ago

moistly 5y ago

> We know nothing about the long term effects of this vaccine Or of the virus. Tho we do know the virus screws with a lot of important cellular functions in the short term.