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Yes. We already have 4 other Corona Viril endemic in the human population. They probably all started out super deadly in a pandemic. This one will be endemic s

Yes. We already have 4 other Corona Viril endemic in the human population. They probably all started out super deadly in a pandemic. This one will be endemic soon, too (1-2 years I assume).

lopis 5y ago
So what you mean is actually "No", we won't get rid of it.
- shoto_io 5y ago
  I think we will get rid of Covid-19, which is the disease. It will be just another common cold virus. But, "no", we will never get rid of SARS-CoV-2 (the virus).
somewhereoutth 5y ago
We have zero evidence that the common cold coronas were previously any more deadly than they are now. Zero evidence. Unfortunately the idea that Covid becomes just another common cold virus can be no more than wishful thinking at this point. Without vaccines and public health interventions, likely SARS-COV-2 would continue washing through the population, with waning immunity and variants causing endless sickness and death, much as smallpox, polio, measles etc used to before we got a handle on them.
- s1artibartfast 5y ago
  >Unfortunately the idea that Covid becomes just another common cold virus can be no more than wishful thinking at this point. It is not wishful thinking that in the future, child exposure and adult immunity will be the norm. Covid is already just another common cold for the young. Covid infection fatality rate for children is on the order of 1/100,000, similar to influenza or varicella (chicken pox), but much more dangerous for the elderly without immunity (like influenza or varicella). This is drastically different than something like smallpox, which had a 30% fatality rate.
  - robotresearcher 5y ago
    > Covid is already just another common cold for the young. > Covid infection fatality rate for children is on the order of 1/100,000, similar to influenza or varicella (chicken pox) Aren't flu and chicken pox an order of magnitude or two (or three?) more deadly than the common cold in children?
    - s1artibartfast 5y ago
      Chicken pox case fatality was ~ 1/100,000 among children age 1 through 14 years before vaccines were introduced per the CDC. https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/pubs/pinkbook/varicella.html https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/pubs/pinkbook/varicella.html
      - robotresearcher 5y ago
        Glad to hear it. And deaths from the common cold?
        mbg721 5y ago
        Let's hope for none.
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        s1artibartfast 5y ago
        I never made any claims comparing covid to the common cold. Just Covid to the Flu and pox. If you look it up, you can let me know.
        robotresearcher 5y ago
        I quoted you doing so. Here it is again: > Covid is already just another common cold for the young.
- shoto_io 5y ago
  "Zero evidence", "Wishful thinking". No Sir. Just common sense. They 4 other CoV have been studied extensively and there are also theories about their origins. You are taking very different types of virii and compare them with a Corona Virus, which makes no sense at all. The question you need to answer: Why should this CoV be so different than the 4 others we know? Btw: Common colds can be very deadly if your immune system is weak or not familiar with them. Just go and ask some native Americans back in the 1640s.
  - somewhereoutth 5y ago
    Why should it be the same? Why shouldn't it be like its nearest relatives, SARS-1 and MERS? (10% and 50% CFR). As for the common cold and native Americans, you will need to ask them yourself - my understanding is that the common cold viruses have always been globally widespread. Please correct me if I'm wrong!
    - shoto_io 5y ago
      Because there is a reason they have been given the same name. They belong to the same family of virii. There are studies showing that exposure to one CoV induces immunity to the other. Here is just one paper around that topic: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/34273512/ https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/34273512/
      - somewhereoutth 5y ago
        So you are saying that I should not be afraid of a tiger, because they belong to the same family as the nice pussy cats I see everyday? After all, there is a reason they've been given the same name.
        shoto_io 5y ago
        No :) I think that's actually what YOU are saying. You are comparing two virii that we could not observe for long in the wild (The Tigers) with some cat (Sars2). I think we have good evidence after 2 years that Sars2 is much more similar Sars1 and MERS - just from a KPI perspective.

Yes. We already have 4 other Corona Viril endemic in the human population. They probably all started out super deadly in a pandemic. This one will be endemic soon, too (1-2 years I assume).

lopis 5y ago

So what you mean is actually "No", we won't get rid of it.

shoto_io 5y ago
I think we will get rid of Covid-19, which is the disease. It will be just another common cold virus. But, "no", we will never get rid of SARS-CoV-2 (the virus).

somewhereoutth 5y ago

We have zero evidence that the common cold coronas were previously any more deadly than they are now. Zero evidence. Unfortunately the idea that Covid becomes just another common cold virus can be no more than wishful thinking at this point. Without vaccines and public health interventions, likely SARS-COV-2 would continue washing through the population, with waning immunity and variants causing endless sickness and death, much as smallpox, polio, measles etc used to before we got a handle on them.

s1artibartfast 5y ago
>Unfortunately the idea that Covid becomes just another common cold virus can be no more than wishful thinking at this point. It is not wishful thinking that in the future, child exposure and adult immunity will be the norm. Covid is already just another common cold for the young. Covid infection fatality rate for children is on the order of 1/100,000, similar to influenza or varicella (chicken pox), but much more dangerous for the elderly without immunity (like influenza or varicella). This is drastically different than something like smallpox, which had a 30% fatality rate.
- robotresearcher 5y ago
  > Covid is already just another common cold for the young. > Covid infection fatality rate for children is on the order of 1/100,000, similar to influenza or varicella (chicken pox) Aren't flu and chicken pox an order of magnitude or two (or three?) more deadly than the common cold in children?
  - s1artibartfast 5y ago
    Chicken pox case fatality was ~ 1/100,000 among children age 1 through 14 years before vaccines were introduced per the CDC. https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/pubs/pinkbook/varicella.html https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/pubs/pinkbook/varicella.html
    - robotresearcher 5y ago
      Glad to hear it. And deaths from the common cold?
      - mbg721 5y ago
        Let's hope for none.
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      - s1artibartfast 5y ago
        I never made any claims comparing covid to the common cold. Just Covid to the Flu and pox. If you look it up, you can let me know.
        robotresearcher 5y ago
        I quoted you doing so. Here it is again: > Covid is already just another common cold for the young.
shoto_io 5y ago
"Zero evidence", "Wishful thinking". No Sir. Just common sense. They 4 other CoV have been studied extensively and there are also theories about their origins. You are taking very different types of virii and compare them with a Corona Virus, which makes no sense at all. The question you need to answer: Why should this CoV be so different than the 4 others we know? Btw: Common colds can be very deadly if your immune system is weak or not familiar with them. Just go and ask some native Americans back in the 1640s.
- somewhereoutth 5y ago
  Why should it be the same? Why shouldn't it be like its nearest relatives, SARS-1 and MERS? (10% and 50% CFR). As for the common cold and native Americans, you will need to ask them yourself - my understanding is that the common cold viruses have always been globally widespread. Please correct me if I'm wrong!
  - shoto_io 5y ago
    Because there is a reason they have been given the same name. They belong to the same family of virii. There are studies showing that exposure to one CoV induces immunity to the other. Here is just one paper around that topic: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/34273512/ https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/34273512/
    - somewhereoutth 5y ago
      So you are saying that I should not be afraid of a tiger, because they belong to the same family as the nice pussy cats I see everyday? After all, there is a reason they've been given the same name.
      - shoto_io 5y ago
        No :) I think that's actually what YOU are saying. You are comparing two virii that we could not observe for long in the wild (The Tigers) with some cat (Sars2). I think we have good evidence after 2 years that Sars2 is much more similar Sars1 and MERS - just from a KPI perspective.