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> How do we stop this cycle where it's a (well-deserved) reluctant goodbye every time a company we like seeks to go public and IPO? venture communism instead o
by beckman466 5y ago
> How do we stop this cycle where it's a (well-deserved) reluctant goodbye every time a company we like seeks to go public and IPO?
venture communism instead of venture capitalism?
peer-to-peer communism instead of the client server state?
http://media.telekommunisten.net/manifesto.pdf http://media.telekommunisten.net/manifesto.pdf
- 0des 5y agoWhile I respect your willingness to think outside of the box, and am thankful for your reply, I am old enough to remember that communism is not something I personally desire.
- Sunspark 5y agoPure communism as conceived in theory is not the same thing as the Soviet and Chinese applications which are really authoritarianism.
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- LegitShady 5y agoUnfortunately theory once it hits reality is often found to be untenable. The aggregation of power into some kind of central authority system for the good of the people always ends up bad for the people.
- hnaccount141 5y ago> The aggregation of power into some kind of central authority system for the good of the people always ends up bad for the people. You will find that this sentiment is quite popular among communists these days. The idea of achieving a classless, stateless society via the use of a central state is inherently contradictory. (Though that's not to say that the alternatives are necessarily more realistic)
- LegitShady 5y agoIt's obvious to anyone who has read history, or can see the 'communist' countries of today. It's just the wannabe communists who are still silly enough to think they'll get it right this time.
- Dangeranger 5y agoCan you point to a communist government which has not devolved into authoritarianism? I cannot. It seems to be the inevitable end of that form of government.
- ant6n 5y agoMany companies are kind of communist when looking at their internal structure.
- dude187 5y agoCommunism is totalitarian by nature. It will always be evil and abhorrent
- sofixa 5y agoThere's nothing totalitarian in communism by definition[1]. Marxism-Leninism and Maoisn certainly are very totalitarian implementations, but there are others. `Communism (from Latin communis, 'common, universal') is a philosophical, social, political, and economic ideology and movement whose goal is the establishment of a communist society, namely a socioeconomic order structured upon the ideas of common ownership of the means of production and the absence of social classes, money, and the state. Communism is a specific, yet distinct, form of socialism. Communists agree on the withering away of the state but disagree on the means to this end, reflecting a distinction between a more libertarian approach of communization, revolutionary spontaneity, and workers' self-management, and a more vanguardist or Communist party-driven approach through the development of a constitutional socialist state.`
- dude187 5y agoYou cannot have a collectivist regulation of supply and demand without a totalitarian control of the production and distribution of everything. Totalitarianism is integral to the core of communism, it's the hinge point of it's entire function. Dogma which rejects that reality does not change it, and _every_ instance of it in real life backs up this simple reality.
- hnaccount141 5y agoIf you ignore the historically loaded proper nouns in that piece, most of the values described are the sort of thing that's typically pretty popular around here. Decentralization, free software, information freedom, etc. It doesn't really have anything to do with the communist parties that come to mind when one hears the word "Communism".