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Try to make arguments and not just insults. WhatsApp has been a goldmine for Facebook and they've been terrible stewards of the platform, with significant mode

Try to make arguments and not just insults. WhatsApp has been a goldmine for Facebook and they've been terrible stewards of the platform, with significant moderation woes cutting both ways. It's meant to be their foray into countries that don't typically use Facebook and serves to force people onto their platform. I'd be very ok if Facebook was forced to offload it.

baby 5y ago
> WhatsApp has been a goldmine for Facebook Come on, FB ran whatsapp for many years with zero revenue. Whatsapp would not be what it is today without FB. > they've been terrible stewards of the platform In what sense? When they enabled end-to-end encryption for billions of people? Or launched encrypted backups?
- vorpalhex 5y ago
  > Come on, FB ran whatsapp for many years with zero revenue. And Walmart undercut prices to the point of losing revenue to establish their position. Your lack of profitability does not somehow undo your monopolizing. > When they enabled end-to-end encryption for billions of people? Whatsapp still does not have global E2E [1]. > Or launched encrypted backups? Yet the FBI still puts pen registers on the service [2] which makes backups moot. > Whatsapp would not be what it is today without FB. I think WhatsApp would be a much better product in someone elses hands. [3] [4] [1] - https://nypressnews.com/news/technology/meta-confirms-messenger-and-instagram-wont-get-full-e2e-encryption-for-some-time/ https://nypressnews.com/news/technology/meta-confirms-messen... [2] - https://propertyofthepeople.org/document-detail/?doc-id=21114562 https://propertyofthepeople.org/document-detail/?doc-id=2111... [3] - https://m.dw.com/en/whatsapp-in-india-scourge-of-violence-inciting-fake-news-tough-to-tackle/a-52709823 https://m.dw.com/en/whatsapp-in-india-scourge-of-violence-in... [4] - https://techhq.com/2021/11/after-record-gdpr-fine-whatsapp-finetuned-its-privacy-policy-in-europe/ https://techhq.com/2021/11/after-record-gdpr-fine-whatsapp-f...
  - baby 5y ago
    It's your right to be wrong

baby 5y ago

> WhatsApp has been a goldmine for Facebook Come on, FB ran whatsapp for many years with zero revenue. Whatsapp would not be what it is today without FB. > they've been terrible stewards of the platform In what sense? When they enabled end-to-end encryption for billions of people? Or launched encrypted backups?

vorpalhex 5y ago
> Come on, FB ran whatsapp for many years with zero revenue. And Walmart undercut prices to the point of losing revenue to establish their position. Your lack of profitability does not somehow undo your monopolizing. > When they enabled end-to-end encryption for billions of people? Whatsapp still does not have global E2E [1]. > Or launched encrypted backups? Yet the FBI still puts pen registers on the service [2] which makes backups moot. > Whatsapp would not be what it is today without FB. I think WhatsApp would be a much better product in someone elses hands. [3] [4] [1] - https://nypressnews.com/news/technology/meta-confirms-messenger-and-instagram-wont-get-full-e2e-encryption-for-some-time/ https://nypressnews.com/news/technology/meta-confirms-messen... [2] - https://propertyofthepeople.org/document-detail/?doc-id=21114562 https://propertyofthepeople.org/document-detail/?doc-id=2111... [3] - https://m.dw.com/en/whatsapp-in-india-scourge-of-violence-inciting-fake-news-tough-to-tackle/a-52709823 https://m.dw.com/en/whatsapp-in-india-scourge-of-violence-in... [4] - https://techhq.com/2021/11/after-record-gdpr-fine-whatsapp-finetuned-its-privacy-policy-in-europe/ https://techhq.com/2021/11/after-record-gdpr-fine-whatsapp-f...
- baby 5y ago
  It's your right to be wrong