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I cannot stress enough how infuriating it is when a page loads content under my mouse cursor at such a delay that I can manage to point at a link and click on i

I cannot stress enough how infuriating it is when a page loads content under my mouse cursor at such a delay that I can manage to point at a link and click on it _before_ the new content is loaded so that I click/tap an unexpected link. This happens _all_ the time on the Twitter app search bar.

jazzyjackson 5y ago
bad enough when it’s accidental, more infuriating when it’s done with a profit motive theverge.com presents a “show comments” button that shifts out of the way to reveal the worthless taboola links, I honestly don’t know how it isn’t considered click fraud
trulyme 5y ago
This is infuriating on all UIs, but I haven't seen one that would implement a very obvious solution: if the area around click has changed in 100ms before the event, disregard the click. Either a webpage or a browser could do that. I'm sure I'm not the first one to think of it, so there must be some reason why it isn't done - does anyone know why?
- der-ofenmeister 5y ago
  Great idea, although from an engineering POV I think this is really hard. Most websites are super JS-heavy and hence, from a browser's POV, change constantly. Quite a ton of difference between pixels on the screen changing and the underlying DOM changing.
- majkinetor 5y ago
  Yes, because it sux, in general. Maybe as an option.
  - VRay 5y ago
    If something changes within ~300ms before your click, the only way you'd be intentionally clicking whatever's there now is if you're amped up playing some online game
    - majkinetor 5y ago
      Now be my guest and define "something changes" please. You will see what I mean. Gaming is exactly one of the problems and all those sites that lie on spectrum between news to gaming and utilize some aspect of dynamic presentation.
- dredmorbius 5y ago
  FWIW, I've seen that suggestion a few times over the past 2--5 years or so. You're likely not the first, but it's an excellent suggestion.
- matheusmoreira 5y ago
  > Either a webpage or a browser could do that. The browser should do it. Websites often do this intentionally in order to trick users into clicking ads. The only way to stop these abuses is for the browser itself to stop enabling them.
  - rhines 5y ago
    Unfortunately Google would make the Gmail team very grumpy if they did this - Gmail's by far the worst offender in my experience. Every single time I open my email I have to remind myself to wait for a moment before clicking on my newest emails, because most of the time there's going to be a couple ad "emails" popping in and shuffling everything else down a few seconds after all the real emails have loaded.
    - trulyme 5y ago
      Maybe something that Firefox and Safari could implement then? :)
    - matheusmoreira 5y ago
      Google's grumpiness is an excellent measure for how much we need a feature. The grumpier, the better. Other browsers should do it. Firefox, Safari, Brave, everyone else.
MisterTea 5y ago
This is my normal android experience. Use the share function, it displays a list of apps or chat conversations which actually are relevant, tap the app.... annnnnnnd the list refreshes with a new list and congrats, it buffered the tap before the menu refreshes and opens whatever app is now under your finger which is of course the wrong app. So when I use share I have to wait a few seconds to ensure the menu is refreshed and then pick an app. This behavior is throughout most of the ecosystem where input is valid and buffered before things are rendered to screen. Such a well engineered UX.
- hackmiester 5y ago
  Android STILL does this? Wow.
spatley 5y ago
Lazy loading is the absolute bane of usability in web UIs. The fact that this is the default/most common behavior in modern web frameworks seems simply idiotic to me.
der-ofenmeister 5y ago
>This happens _all_ the time on the Twitter app search bar. Hit the nail on the head there my friend. Super annoying. I wonder why their search is so slow though. Any ideas?

jazzyjackson 5y ago

bad enough when it’s accidental, more infuriating when it’s done with a profit motive theverge.com presents a “show comments” button that shifts out of the way to reveal the worthless taboola links, I honestly don’t know how it isn’t considered click fraud

trulyme 5y ago

This is infuriating on all UIs, but I haven't seen one that would implement a very obvious solution: if the area around click has changed in 100ms before the event, disregard the click. Either a webpage or a browser could do that. I'm sure I'm not the first one to think of it, so there must be some reason why it isn't done - does anyone know why?

der-ofenmeister 5y ago
Great idea, although from an engineering POV I think this is really hard. Most websites are super JS-heavy and hence, from a browser's POV, change constantly. Quite a ton of difference between pixels on the screen changing and the underlying DOM changing.
majkinetor 5y ago
Yes, because it sux, in general. Maybe as an option.
- VRay 5y ago
  If something changes within ~300ms before your click, the only way you'd be intentionally clicking whatever's there now is if you're amped up playing some online game
  - majkinetor 5y ago
    Now be my guest and define "something changes" please. You will see what I mean. Gaming is exactly one of the problems and all those sites that lie on spectrum between news to gaming and utilize some aspect of dynamic presentation.
dredmorbius 5y ago
FWIW, I've seen that suggestion a few times over the past 2--5 years or so. You're likely not the first, but it's an excellent suggestion.
matheusmoreira 5y ago
> Either a webpage or a browser could do that. The browser should do it. Websites often do this intentionally in order to trick users into clicking ads. The only way to stop these abuses is for the browser itself to stop enabling them.
- rhines 5y ago
  Unfortunately Google would make the Gmail team very grumpy if they did this - Gmail's by far the worst offender in my experience. Every single time I open my email I have to remind myself to wait for a moment before clicking on my newest emails, because most of the time there's going to be a couple ad "emails" popping in and shuffling everything else down a few seconds after all the real emails have loaded.
  - trulyme 5y ago
    Maybe something that Firefox and Safari could implement then? :)
  - matheusmoreira 5y ago
    Google's grumpiness is an excellent measure for how much we need a feature. The grumpier, the better. Other browsers should do it. Firefox, Safari, Brave, everyone else.

MisterTea 5y ago

This is my normal android experience. Use the share function, it displays a list of apps or chat conversations which actually are relevant, tap the app.... annnnnnnd the list refreshes with a new list and congrats, it buffered the tap before the menu refreshes and opens whatever app is now under your finger which is of course the wrong app. So when I use share I have to wait a few seconds to ensure the menu is refreshed and then pick an app. This behavior is throughout most of the ecosystem where input is valid and buffered before things are rendered to screen. Such a well engineered UX.

hackmiester 5y ago
Android STILL does this? Wow.

spatley 5y ago

Lazy loading is the absolute bane of usability in web UIs. The fact that this is the default/most common behavior in modern web frameworks seems simply idiotic to me.

der-ofenmeister 5y ago

>This happens _all_ the time on the Twitter app search bar. Hit the nail on the head there my friend. Super annoying. I wonder why their search is so slow though. Any ideas?