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Not to sound too obvious, but that is precisely the current state that is also ever increasing. As with seemingly most things, we are witnessing a reemergence o

Not to sound too obvious, but that is precisely the current state that is also ever increasing. As with seemingly most things, we are witnessing a reemergence of a system similar to what existed before the American Revolution, the feudalistic, aristocratic, monarchical system where you must show fealty to your vassal lord corporation. Even the subject supposed effort to prevent monopolization is not understanding the underlying issue, that competition (a form of freedom) has for all intents and purposes been totally subverted because rather than monopolizing an industry or sector, today's monopolists/cartels realized they should just totally supplant the whole market so people have no choice but to kiss their royal ring. That is something that has effectively been accomplished and society may just have not understood yet what's going on, or likely those who would be expected to ward this off were also totally compromised and corrupted ($$$). What we need is reinstatement of conditions that lead to are allow competition. That may take on several different forms, e.g., (not to pick on Apple, but to use a recent example) that Apple must provide the same access to core integration (based on reasonable technical specifications anyone can meet) that AirTags utilize to competitors like Tile, including the whole apple device network (AirTags are real reason that SARS-CoV-2 "contact tracing" was snuck in to save us all, btw). Another example; Apple and Google, may not block or ban any user or any app that meets its general and public technical specifications and are not a violation of law and human rights like free expression, whether out vassal lord corporations like what users have to say or if an app is a competitor or does something they don't like or not. The alternative should simply be that Apple and Google can just build their own internet if they wish to violate people's rights on the public internet and communications … at the very least.

random314 5y ago
> As with seemingly most things, we are witnessing a reemergence of a system similar to what existed before the American Revolution, the feudalistic, aristocratic, monarchical system where you must show fealty to your vassal lord corporation. This is not something new, but has always been the case. Capitalism is the 2nd iteration of feudalism. When the French revolution threw feudalism into jeopardy, the feudal lords - conservatives who sat in the right wing of the French parliament- hoped capitalism would rescue feudalism and help maintain social hierarchies. Democracy is seen as anti feudal and anti capitalist in its genesis, by giving everyone one vote independent of wealth. Earliest proposals for elections were only for Male land owners. The founding fathers were capitalists for the most part.
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- ben_w 5y ago
  The Communist Manifesto certainly sees things that way, but I don’t think capitalism has been like that in the USA since roughly Roosevelt’s New Deal. (I don’t want to suggest this happened everywhere at the same time: weirdly, my British history lessons don’t cover anything the British did or experienced between the two World Wars other than “Chamberlain was naïve”). The iconic images of the downfall of Communism was the economic catastrophe, shops with empty shelves, etc.; Capitalism had a similar experience in the Great Depression, was changed by it, but the name remained.
  - kaibee 5y ago
    > Capitalism had a similar experience in the Great Depression, was changed by it, but the name remained. Unfortunately a lot of those New Deal changes were reverted since then. For one, the minimum wage was supposed to be a living wage one could raise a family on.
    - jason0597 5y ago
      > the minimum wage was supposed to be a living wage one could raise a family on. Do you have a source?
- bcrosby95 5y ago
  Hell, some states required land ownership to vote in the USA up to the 1850s.
  - jfk13 5y ago
    > "While constitutionally given the right to vote by the Fifteenth Amendment in 1870 and 19th Amendment in 1920, the reality of the country was such that most African Americans and some poor whites could not vote until the passage of the Voting Rights Act of 1965." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Universal_suffrage#cite_note-VRA1965-91 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Universal_suffrage#cite_note-V...

random314 5y ago

> As with seemingly most things, we are witnessing a reemergence of a system similar to what existed before the American Revolution, the feudalistic, aristocratic, monarchical system where you must show fealty to your vassal lord corporation. This is not something new, but has always been the case. Capitalism is the 2nd iteration of feudalism. When the French revolution threw feudalism into jeopardy, the feudal lords - conservatives who sat in the right wing of the French parliament- hoped capitalism would rescue feudalism and help maintain social hierarchies. Democracy is seen as anti feudal and anti capitalist in its genesis, by giving everyone one vote independent of wealth. Earliest proposals for elections were only for Male land owners. The founding fathers were capitalists for the most part.

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ben_w 5y ago
The Communist Manifesto certainly sees things that way, but I don’t think capitalism has been like that in the USA since roughly Roosevelt’s New Deal. (I don’t want to suggest this happened everywhere at the same time: weirdly, my British history lessons don’t cover anything the British did or experienced between the two World Wars other than “Chamberlain was naïve”). The iconic images of the downfall of Communism was the economic catastrophe, shops with empty shelves, etc.; Capitalism had a similar experience in the Great Depression, was changed by it, but the name remained.
- kaibee 5y ago
  > Capitalism had a similar experience in the Great Depression, was changed by it, but the name remained. Unfortunately a lot of those New Deal changes were reverted since then. For one, the minimum wage was supposed to be a living wage one could raise a family on.
  - jason0597 5y ago
    > the minimum wage was supposed to be a living wage one could raise a family on. Do you have a source?
bcrosby95 5y ago
Hell, some states required land ownership to vote in the USA up to the 1850s.
- jfk13 5y ago
  > "While constitutionally given the right to vote by the Fifteenth Amendment in 1870 and 19th Amendment in 1920, the reality of the country was such that most African Americans and some poor whites could not vote until the passage of the Voting Rights Act of 1965." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Universal_suffrage#cite_note-VRA1965-91 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Universal_suffrage#cite_note-V...