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> That seems like a 'you' kind of problem. Maybe you should rethink your assumptions when you assumptions lead to incredibly nonsensical outcome. This appears

> That seems like a 'you' kind of problem. Maybe you should rethink your assumptions when you assumptions lead to incredibly nonsensical outcome. This appears to be a ‘you’ problem as well. You have your biases. They have theirs. To say only one person’s views lead to nonsensical outcome is a biased view. > Are you saying he want to lower the worth of SpaceX so he can buy more of it? Can you show that he actually did that? They didn’t say this. They wrote a vaguer statement. You jumped in and assumed a lot.

panick21_ 5y ago
> They didn’t say this. They wrote a vaguer statement. You jumped in and assumed a lot. I am just trying to understand by what 5D logic you are coming to your conclusion so I am speculating. I am literally struggling how anybody could come to such a conclusion because its so nonsensical. It just literally make no sense to interpret his action over the last 20 years with this framework.
- skinnymuch 5y ago
  I’m not sure what you mean by your first paragraph. I’m not the OP. This is exactly why it’s bias. I see Elon as half charlatan. In my eyes, it’s hard to not see this as super obvious. For you, it’s not like that at all.
  - panick21_ 5y ago
    But it literally makes no sense. It simply doesn't there is simply not a logical way for him to behave. Even if he is a 'charlatan'. He makes far more money by simply holding stocks for the long term and making sure his companies do well. He is required to file when he is selling lots of stock and for the most part he has been holding SpaceX and Tesla stock for a long time. His package for payment for Tesla is performance based on profit and volume, not just stock price so higher stock doesn't even improve his pay at this point. I literally do not understand the mechanics. Do you think he sent this internal email so hopefully it will be leaked, so that then SpaceX stock will be slightly lower for a while and then he illegally does insider trading based on that? And if he made lots of money from doing that, is he just hiding that? Do you think in addition to his public wealth (already one of the richest people) he is even richer and hides some even larger net-worth that he has gained threw illegal trading? He has literally been part of a number of investigations from multiple government agencies like SEC. Because SpaceX is doing military launch and are verified for literally all US government missions, he had to be background checked by the DoD for a really high levels of security certification. And threw all of that he was constantly doing illegal insider trading and hiding billions in extra wealth? Is that really more likely then that SpaceX actually has an issue with engine production and he really wants to fix it?

panick21_ 5y ago

> They didn’t say this. They wrote a vaguer statement. You jumped in and assumed a lot. I am just trying to understand by what 5D logic you are coming to your conclusion so I am speculating. I am literally struggling how anybody could come to such a conclusion because its so nonsensical. It just literally make no sense to interpret his action over the last 20 years with this framework.

skinnymuch 5y ago
I’m not sure what you mean by your first paragraph. I’m not the OP. This is exactly why it’s bias. I see Elon as half charlatan. In my eyes, it’s hard to not see this as super obvious. For you, it’s not like that at all.
- panick21_ 5y ago
  But it literally makes no sense. It simply doesn't there is simply not a logical way for him to behave. Even if he is a 'charlatan'. He makes far more money by simply holding stocks for the long term and making sure his companies do well. He is required to file when he is selling lots of stock and for the most part he has been holding SpaceX and Tesla stock for a long time. His package for payment for Tesla is performance based on profit and volume, not just stock price so higher stock doesn't even improve his pay at this point. I literally do not understand the mechanics. Do you think he sent this internal email so hopefully it will be leaked, so that then SpaceX stock will be slightly lower for a while and then he illegally does insider trading based on that? And if he made lots of money from doing that, is he just hiding that? Do you think in addition to his public wealth (already one of the richest people) he is even richer and hides some even larger net-worth that he has gained threw illegal trading? He has literally been part of a number of investigations from multiple government agencies like SEC. Because SpaceX is doing military launch and are verified for literally all US government missions, he had to be background checked by the DoD for a really high levels of security certification. And threw all of that he was constantly doing illegal insider trading and hiding billions in extra wealth? Is that really more likely then that SpaceX actually has an issue with engine production and he really wants to fix it?