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PeerTube 4 RC
- timbit42 5y agoHow is this similar or different from LBRY / Odysee?
- orblivion 5y agoI don't think there's a blockchain or currency involved with Peertube. It's more like Mastodon for videos. In fact, you can follow Peertube accounts and comment on Peertube videos using your Mastodon account.
- DoItToMe81 5y agoThere's no blockchain involved or cryptocurrency, you do not need to pay to make a transaction, votes are one-user-one-vote rather than weighted by ownership of the currency, it is easily capable of federating with non-Peertube services due to Activitypub. LBRY uses IPFS to achieve P2P data transfer, while Peertube uses webtorrent or HLS, with a preference towards the latter. Peertube also seems easier to set up, at least to me.
- orblivion 5y agoThe IPFS on LBRY also means that the videos themselves don't have a "home" on one particular server. It's more like torrenting files. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I assume that if you take down a server holding a peertube video, it's not as though clients who have seen the video (or even federated servers?) would continue serving that video. The P2P aspect is merely a bandwidth saving scheme when clients are playing the video?
- DoItToMe81 5y agoAnother server has to set up a video redundancy for the clip for that to happen. Otherwise, yeah, it just goes poof. Avoiding this is one of the major benefits of IPFS.
- orblivion 5y agoIt's cool that redundancy is a built-in feature at least.
- quiffledwerg 5y agoThis project needs marketing people on the team. I’m interested in peertube it’s an exciting concept. When I when to that page I expected a simple, clean design inviting me to download it or use it or whatever. Instead there’s a rambling unfocused page without a call to action. YouTube is the Mike Tyson of video…. you’ve gotta be much better than this to get in the ring with YouTube.
- BjornW 5y agoThe url points to a blogpost at Framasoft with information on the release canidate. If you visit the homepage of Peertube (https://joinpeertube.org https://joinpeertube.org) you'll likely find the information you are looking for.
- aosaigh 5y agoI think this is a good example of what separates HN users from normal users. The fact that the blog is on a completely different domain and using a different name is confusing. What's more, when you visit the Peertube domain it's not clear what you should do. Do I need to download something? What's an instance? How come the top video on the page brings me to a separate page? I know these are things that most HN users are happy to dig into and figure out, but currently there's no way Peertube is "an alternative to video platforms" for even saavy web users, let alone regular users. Maybe that's OK though?
- mshanu 5y agoI think this is the challenge with all decentralised systems, its not as easy as you click some buttons and you get served like in web 2. Hope more focus will come on experience part of this, for such approaches to become popular
- laurentb 5y agonot really, Framasoft is a French company that develops a collection of open source alternatives to popular software. It's the same as if Microsoft was posting a blog on its own msdn.com domain for something related to visual studio or SharePoint
- yuri91 5y agoI like the idea of PeerTube, but I have a question: How well does the p2p offloading of viral videos work in practice? How is the average user experience? Do you get a lot of buffering pauses, or is it seamless as if it was Youtube? Assuming a medium-sized server hosting the content.
- devoutsalsa 5y agoMy experience to date has been the buffering I experience while watching a video kills the experience.
- booteille 5y agoActually, the experience is really fluid for most people. There can be some edgecases where we have users reporting huge bufferings but that's rare and hard to diagnostic since often bound to the client. Before the V3, we tried the live with more than 150people watching at the same time with some friends. 1/5 of the bandwidth was served by the server, P2P handled the rest. Since then, things continued to improve and the goal of Framasoft (from which I am external, so ask directly to Framasoft if you have specific question) is to provide the most stable experience with PeerTube. You can find out our feedback (in french, though), on Framasoft forums: https://framacolibri.org/t/fonctionnalite-live-retour-dutilisation/10070 https://framacolibri.org/t/fonctionnalite-live-retour-dutili...
- DoItToMe81 5y agoThe most concurrent views I've seen on my server was about forty one, including myself. It was seamless, however the video was only around 280 megabytes and there was only one quality setting for it. I don't imagine it being the case for HD videos where users are viewing in disparate qualities.
- zibzab 5y agoHave you noticed YouTube heavily throttling unofficial clients lately? Maybe we really need a video delivery service that doesn't break every other day to please beancounters at Google.
- contravariant 5y agoIf you mean youtube-dl then you might be better of migrating to yt-dlp. It doesn't look like youtube-dl is going to resolve those throttling issues any time soon.
- zibzab 5y agoNope, Google is actively targeting different tools, yt-dlp included. It's a game of whack-a-mole right now.
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- ollybee 5y agoYes, I have a browser plugin to open youtube links in mpv, but it's been unusable recently with constant buffering. I dont even fetch them at best quality.
- circularfoyers 5y agoAre you using yt-dlp with mpv?
- Saint_Genet 5y agoEven the official client has been buffering heavily on iOS for the last two days. No idea what's going on, but I'm getting RealPlayer flashbacks.
- Isthatablackgsd 5y agoOh goodie, I am not the only one. I ran into this issue last night and YouTube app in my iPad is buffering heavily and stuck in 480p. My usual solution for this is to restart the iPad. Yup, have to restart the iPad because swipe-to-close didn't help.
- zibzab 5y agoPSA: If your are de-googled and use NewPipe to watch YouTube, it already supports PeerTube (and more). https://f-droid.org/en/packages/org.schabi.newpipe/ https://f-droid.org/en/packages/org.schabi.newpipe/
- jerheinze 5y agoNewPipe is such a nice piece of FOSS. Too bad that they decided against integrating SponsorBlock.
- Bayart 5y agoI'm really glad YT Vanced did integrate it.
- k__ 5y agoWhat's the difference between Vanced and NewPipe?
- Bayart 5y agoVanced is a mod of the stock YT app, NewPipe is a completely new codebase that doesn't use YT's API.
- k__ 5y agoHow does it get the YT data if it doesn't use its API?
- bubblethink 5y agoThe way your browser can watch YT.
- rakoo 5y agoNewpipe is Libre Software, Vanced is not
- 2Gkashmiri 5y agothis is super nice. i have submitted patches to the project out of curiosity and they were accepted. A nice community on github. I would suggest people here to try using the website , tilvids.com is a perfect example. i was doing its beta testing of the livestreaming and i found 30 seconds delay between screen recording and viewing on a client. That was some random russian server so the latency was bad anyways because of location but still. Tldr; tilvids.com
- webscout 5y agoIf this is the current pinnacle of the decentralised Web, I don't expect to see a YT competitor in my lifetime.
- crispyporkbites 5y agoIt took me a long time to find it, but this is "the" search engine for PeerTube: https://sepiasearch.org/ https://sepiasearch.org/ This could be a reasonable entry point for a non-technical user who just wants to watch videos. If you layer in recommendations system, trending etc. and have a default "Instance" for users to join, Peertube could start to compete with the user experience of YouTube
- betwixthewires 5y agoThese recommendations you're laying out to help compete with YouTube are antithetical to the whole purpose of peertube. First, a default instance is definitely a bad idea if you're trying to build a decentralized network of tube site servers, and it increases cost on a central entity in the network (probably framasoft who would be hosting the "default" server). The whole idea is for there not to be a central server. Recommendations and trending are architecturally untenable as well as antithetical. When you're collecting whatever criteria makes a video "good" from disparate servers across the web you introduce a ton of bandwidth and other issues. And why would anyone want some algorithm deciding for them what they feel like watching? Beyond that, something like this is hard to get right, you're more likely to get it wrong and wind up with pissed off users.
- markvdb 5y agoThe PeerTube developer community is super friendly and helpful to new developers. I contributed some minor improvements around a year ago, minimally touching several sides of the projects: - documentation for the SAML plugin - translation to my native language - some improvements to enable better encoding performance through hardware encoding My experience with the maintainers was nothing but positive, in all three areas. Such a warm welcome is rare in development land, so I commend the PeerTube maintainers not only for their excellent software, but also for their welcoming attitude.
- paulcarroty 5y agoThat's nice to hear, sometimes my bugreports to open source projects was threatened like enemy attacks.
- pezzana 5y agoAn alternative to centralized video sharing is definitely needed and PeerTube looks interesting. Discoverability is one of the things that makes YouTube so compelling. Unfortunately, it doesn't look like PeerTube offers much on this front at the moment. There's a search app: https://sepiasearch.org/ https://sepiasearch.org/ But there's nothing like the recommendations or related video feature of YouTube. How hard would that be to add given PeerTube's architecture? edit: I just discovered that that GitHub page does a much better job than the landing page of explaining PeerTube. In particular, it breaks down features from the perspective of users, creators, and admins. It even leads with an introductory video (but not embedded for some reason). https://github.com/Chocobozzz/PeerTube https://github.com/Chocobozzz/PeerTube
- littlestymaar 5y agoWhile I agree that recommendation are what made YouTube so popular, and also boosts engagement a lot, they are also the most controversial feature of YouTube because they tend to converge toward the most polarizing videos, conspiracy theories, etc. They've also been gamed in a few creepy ways[1] [1]: https://medium.com/@jamesbridle/something-is-wrong-on-the-internet-c39c471271d2 https://medium.com/@jamesbridle/something-is-wrong-on-the-in...
- zo1 5y agoYouTube literally keeps showing me the same Playlist of videos every day, and absolutely refuses to let me get anything fresh until I behave like a good cow user and watch the videos they want me to so they can milk my eyeballs with ad views.
- fwip 5y agoOn the web client, it's easy to mark these videos as "Not Interested." I haven't noticed them showing up again after that.
- zo1 5y agoThe problem is that it's the type of content that I generally want to watch. So if I mark it as not interested I'm assuming it'll generalize and not give me the same kind of content. Stuck between a rock and a hard place. The reason I would prefer not to mark as "not interested" is that there is so much content that is being produced by channels that I subscribe to that I never get recommended to me.
- olah_1 5y agoThe elephant in the room is that videos take a long time to create. And thus hosting of the videos won’t easily be trusted to random server admins. I barely trust pleroma/mastodon admins with my garbage little text posts. I wouldn’t want to put my hard work on a server with no guarantee of how long they’ll be there or if one of them will be deleted and maybe I won’t even realize it. Yes, youtube sometimes deletes channels or videos. That isn’t perfect either. But somehow Peertube feels even worse because the entire fediverse is run by a bunch of “some guys” that are accountable to no one.
- shkkmo 5y agoIt seems to me that a federated system like PeerTube would give you more control over which admins you are beholden since you can choose where to publish. You could even setup your own host if you don't trust any of them Also, can't you post your videos to other platforms and/or keep your own backups? If the host deletes your video, can't you just republish it on a different one?
- robobro 5y agoif you can trust yourself, host your own. that's the point
- olah_1 5y agoThat limits the userbase to only people that are savvy enough to be a server admin, though. I've actually been discouraged from running my own server by people in the Matrix Chat world. Apparently there are risks if you're not knowledgable enough.
- praveen9920 5y agoI get excited whenever I see a new federated alternative of existing big players, like PeerTube ( vs Youtube ) or Mastadon ( vs Twitter ) or Diaspora ( vs facebook ) but unfortunately I never get around to using them considering longevity of a single/multiple nodes in the system. I know it does not make sense but fear or losing/migrating preferences/data has kept me from using most of these services
- kzrdude 5y agoWhat data is there to lose? I think it's best to just jump in and try, if you want to.