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>Who in the world has genuinely condemned the Uighyur atrocities that China continues to this day? Parliaments, heads of state, etc have referred to this as "g

by spats1990 5y ago

>Who in the world has genuinely condemned the Uighyur atrocities that China continues to this day? Parliaments, heads of state, etc have referred to this as "genocide" despite insufficient evidence (the view of US state department lawyers). I don't know what further condemnation you're looking for there.

cehrlich 5y ago
Actually doing anything of consequence
- spats1990 5y ago
  Like what? Regime change? Genuinely asking.
  - adrianN 5y ago
    Trade sanctions are usually a couple of escalation levels below forcing a regime change.
    - spats1990 5y ago
      What kind of sanctions do you have in mind?
    - SiempreViernes 5y ago
      Done in March this year: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-56487162 https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-56487162 so it's not simply condemnation, there's action too.
uniqueuid 5y ago
There is evidence*, a new trove just emerged recently [1] [1] https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/nov/29/leaked-papers-link-xinjiang-crackdown-with-china-leadership https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/nov/29/leaked-papers-... (edit: *genocide is a significant label, whether China's mistreatment qualifies as that is probably to be determined, but evidence of mistreatment exists)
- spats1990 5y ago
  >genocide is a significant label, whether China's mistreatment qualifies as that is probably to be determined, That's what both my post and the US state department lawyers said. https://foreignpolicy.com/2021/02/19/china-uighurs-genocide-us-pompeo-blinken/ https://foreignpolicy.com/2021/02/19/china-uighurs-genocide-...
  - uniqueuid 5y ago
    Right, and I guess we agree that on a condemnation scale of 1-10, being under suspicion of committing genocide, to the degree that nation states open formal investigations is not low?
    - spats1990 5y ago
      Yeah I literally can't think of a stronger "condemnation" than that, which is why I was asking. To your link, evidence, Adrian Zenz, etc, are things I would prefer not to discuss on this site. :)

cehrlich 5y ago

Actually doing anything of consequence

spats1990 5y ago
Like what? Regime change? Genuinely asking.
- adrianN 5y ago
  Trade sanctions are usually a couple of escalation levels below forcing a regime change.
  - spats1990 5y ago
    What kind of sanctions do you have in mind?
  - SiempreViernes 5y ago
    Done in March this year: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-56487162 https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-56487162 so it's not simply condemnation, there's action too.

uniqueuid 5y ago

There is evidence*, a new trove just emerged recently [1] [1] https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/nov/29/leaked-papers-link-xinjiang-crackdown-with-china-leadership https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/nov/29/leaked-papers-... (edit: *genocide is a significant label, whether China's mistreatment qualifies as that is probably to be determined, but evidence of mistreatment exists)

spats1990 5y ago
>genocide is a significant label, whether China's mistreatment qualifies as that is probably to be determined, That's what both my post and the US state department lawyers said. https://foreignpolicy.com/2021/02/19/china-uighurs-genocide-us-pompeo-blinken/ https://foreignpolicy.com/2021/02/19/china-uighurs-genocide-...
- uniqueuid 5y ago
  Right, and I guess we agree that on a condemnation scale of 1-10, being under suspicion of committing genocide, to the degree that nation states open formal investigations is not low?
  - spats1990 5y ago
    Yeah I literally can't think of a stronger "condemnation" than that, which is why I was asking. To your link, evidence, Adrian Zenz, etc, are things I would prefer not to discuss on this site. :)